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#4 07-17-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan

I already provided some evidence:

Let's start with the footnote in the NIV:

1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century)

Here's a similar footnote in the NASB (the most literal of the English-language Bibles):

1 John 5:8 A few late mss add ...in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. And there are three that testify on earth, the Spirit

Here's a source (okay, four sources) that explains the addition of what is called the Johannine Comma: http://www.bible-researcher.com/comma.html; http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=1186; http://www.godglorified.com/1_john_57.htm; http://www.bibletexts.com/versecom/1jo05v07.htm

Now, there are some who claim that there is evidence of the passage in early texts but such claims are not well supported; e.g. http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/1John5-7.html information there is refuted here:
http://freeweb.lombardiacom.it/bergh...0johanneum.htm

Chan, I thought you would actually present some evidence beyond some marketing hype from the NIV publishers (who have to justify their 'new and better translation' in oder to make money off sales) and a collection of hyperlinks.

But to begin with, I would say your referencing the NIV footnote is a fallacious appeal to authority and a begging of the question. The fact the NIV publishers CLAIM that the Comma is 'not found in any pre-16th century Greek manuscripts' or that the Comma is only found in 'a few late manuscripts'.

First of all, WHO SAYS SO? The NIV? hahahahahahahaha (you get my drift).

WHAT manuscript evidence is there?

Secondly, what manuscripts do the NIV rely upon here? And do those manuscripts demonstrate superiority over others which the NIV rejected? And what was the basis of their detemrinations? And were those determinations consistent?

Thirdly, the entire argument of the NIV is an ARGUMENT FROM SILENCE. Enough said about that.

Now, as for the hyperlinks you provided, shall I just provide hyperlinks of my own to counter them?

Or shall we have a discussion, laying out the evidence for and gainst for the readers here?

I mean, if you aren't up to it, that's cool. Just let me know, and then I will simply post some hyperlinks, and we can be done with it, and the world will be a safer place, we having stemmed the evil tide of internet literacy...