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[QUOTE=Amanah;1618799]

These are some final thoughts for whatever they are worth. But, I'm done with this conversation as It's not progressing. It's just repetitive at this point.

Perhaps you'd want to answer the questions I've asked of you to answer, before you go. Also plz counter my objections which show that the veil view is weak from a scriptural perspective. That you haven't done so makes me wonder if there is nothing to answer with or to counter with. Why the silence? But if you do go, Amanah, thx for your inputs. Maybe a rest will give you the desire to re-continue here.

In 1 Corinthians 11:2-16, Paul discusses head covering, emphasizing obedience to God's Word over human traditions or instincts.

Obedience to God's Word over human traditions or instincts is always good advice. What exactly hasn't been made clear over many centuries. What does Paul speak of in 1Co11 and how do we 'obey' it? Does the Bible elsewhere command veiling? That no commands for it are found in the OT raises questions which need an answer. Plz provide one, if you believe that the OT women were commanded to veil.

Key Verses:

*1 Corinthians 11:2: "Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you."

That Paul praises them for keeping these delivered ordinances calls into question why he takes the time to now re-teach what he just finished praising them for keeping. It testifies that he is teaching them a new thing, other than ordinances, and it doesn't make sense that he would here re-teach what they already obediently practise, does it? Right? Unless you hold a view which has nothing else to hang your hat on. Then a person would keep insisting that co/unco was a long held ordinance, even in the absence of good evidence.

*1 Corinthians 11:16: "But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God."

Had Paul believed co/unco to be a Biblical tradition then he would have contended that this Biblical tradition should be continued. He would fight tooth and nail, as you do for what you believe to be a correct interpretation of 1Co11. But he calls it a custom and he would not see it imperative that customs continue, because they come from Man. Because he believes and calls it a custom he tells them (reading between the lines) not to fuss if someone is contentious about practising a custom he suggests them to practise. This makes good sense.

Paul teaches that head covering is:

*Symbolic: Representing spiritual authority and submission (1 Corinthians 11:3-10).

Amen, but saying this does not show what the spiritual head covering was.

*Universal: Applying to all believers, regardless of cultural context (1 Corinthians 11:2, 16).

I disagree on the 1Co11 interprtation specifics of this point, while agreeing in general. In general, all commands apply to all people. To explain why not in specifics: though Paul calls for the Co Christian to maintain the custom of the veil, he may not call all Christians to use a veil. If the veil is believed to be a Biblical tradition (vs a custom of Man) and that OT believers veiled, then we have no evidence of a command for a veil which could develope into a Biblical veil tradition. We do see some examples of OT women veiling. It could be that they do so from custom, because it is unlikely to have become a tradition without a command of God to implement it. The OT has no command for women to veil, does it? Right?

*Divine: Based on God's created order, not human tradition (1 Corinthians 11:7-9).

Seen so in the first few ch of Ge, but was not commanded there, to be kept. It was first recognized as an expectation that all should follow, but not by command.

Paul distinguishes between:
*God's ordinances (1 Corinthians 11:2): Divine instructions.

Agreed, ordinances are divine instructions.

*Human customs* (1 Corinthians 11:16): Man-made traditions.

Agreed, customs have human origens.

Supporting Scriptures:

*2 Timothy 3:16-17: Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for doctrine.

Yes, of course.

*Matthew 15:9: Jesus condemns following human traditions over God's commandments.

Yes

*Colossians 2:8: Beware of human philosophy, empty deceit.

Amen, which includes misinterpreted scripture. Doing so amounts to substituting human thought for God's thoughts. If your view of 1Co11 has holes, then it is likely it is because it is a misinterpretation. God doesn't make doctrines with holes. People do by misinterpretation.

Believers should prioritize God's Word over:

1. Cultural norms
2. Personal instincts
3. Human traditions

Amen! All should agree with this.

I respond to all your points and hope you will do so to all mine.