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Originally Posted by donfriesen1
I would change my doctrine if proved wrong. No bothers to take the time to show my line of reasoning wrong. They just say it is wrong but don't provide evidence thereto.
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I don't think you understand what "evidence" is, nor what "providing evidence" means. Just because you choose to maintain the opinion you started with, doesn't mean no evidence was provided to you. I provided plenty of evidence to show:
1. Paul taught men ought to be uncovered and women covered when praying or prophesying.
2. The apostles all taught the same faith and practice.
3. The churches of God were united in faith and practice. Therefore,
4. The churches of God practiced men being uncovered and women being covered when praying or prophesying.
5. Anyone contending for some other custom or practice was not conformed to first century apostolic Christian practice.
6. Anyone contending for some other custom or practice was not conformed to the apostle Paul's teaching and example.
I also showed (proved by reasoning, by logic) that:
1. You do err in concluding Paul taught that if anyone disagreed with what he taught it was okay.
2. You do err in concluding that Paul wanted Christians to do the opposite of what he taught if they didn't agree with what he taught.
3. You do err in stating the reasons for men being uncovered and women being covered while praying or prophesying is "instinctual" (whatever that means).
4. The reasons Paul gave for women being covered and men being uncovered while praying or prophesying were based upon the Genesis account of Creation and the hierarchy established by God.
5. The long and short hair issue raised by Paul was clearly stated to be a lesson from nature meant to illustrate the propriety of his teaching concerning the head covering.
The fact you "remain unconvinced" is quite simply not my problem. You have offered only your own opinions, which in this thread and on this topic seem to mirror the opinions you expressed on other topics you have raised on the forum. Basically you seem intent on "proving" that the apostles, especially Paul, don't have to be believed and/or obeyed. For example, previously you were arguing that people can be saved by "right living" in spite of Paul's clear statement that EVERYBODY was classed as "under sin" and in need of salvation and forgiveness, and that forgiveness and salvation come ONLY through faith in Jesus Christ.
I'm going to be honest, you really do seem to me to be trying to justify reasons not to simply believe and obey the Bible. I do not know why. I do not understand the felt need to contradict so much of plain Scripture. And then, when others list reasons, address your statements, and provide evidence for conclusions OTHER than and contrary to your own, you ALWAYS assert "nobody answers questions, nobody addresses my points, nobody provides evidence, they just say I'm wrong but never even try to prove it."
Which makes having discussions with you rather uninteresting. I have debated every kind of person, both here online and in person, on just about every subject imaginable. I know how to discuss opposing viewpoints. And yes, I was on my high school debate team.
I have no problem discussing things with people who believe differently. I DO have a problem trying to discuss things with people who for whatever reason assert absurdities and plain untruths about the discussion being had.
As I said previously, if YOU want to believe whatever you want to believe, that's fine by me. You don't and won't answer to me in the end, that will all be between you and the Lord Jesus Christ. I can't control what you believe. But I CAN control whether I will voluntarily subject myself to gaslighting.
Which I won't.