[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Sit down sonny and let ole pawpaw Jediwill83 teach ya some science!


Ya ever see birds eat overly ripe fruit on a tree and get drunk?


Thats because NATURAL YEAST GROWS ON THE SKIN OF THE FRUIT AND BEGINS TO FERMENT THE SUGARS AND POOPS OUT ALCOHOL!


Thats right folks...alcohol or ETOH is created when yeast either naturally or artificially induced converts sugar into alcohol and with wine or any other alcohol the natural fermentation process stops around 14 % because it becomes an inhospitable environment for the yeast around that range give or take a few points.


To get higher concentrations you have to distill the fluid so youre separating water content from the alcohol so it's a higher more potent concentration.


Look...lets just face whats going on here...this isnt about truth...this is about being afraid and not having the guts to challenge what man says because you've been lied to and told that if you disagree you're in rebellion.


Well...that may be true but answer me this...if the Word of God is not being rightly divided and preached instead in ignorance, who are we actually rebelling against here?


God or man?


Remember the words of Jesus,"IT IS WRITTEN! MAN CANNOT LIVE BY BREAD ALONE BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD."


What Word? What percentage of Word...half the Word? A quarter? NO! EVERY WORD! You cannot live on partial Words of God you have to live by them ALL and if God said something was blessed and sanctified it you don't have the right nor moral authority to change it no matter WHO the preacher is nor how much he reads his Bible or how humble he calls himself because when you lift up yourself and declare through abrigation*thats a word...look it up* that the evolved doctrines of man supercede the established Word of God that is FOREVER SETTLED IN HEAVEN you run the risk of exaulting YOUR throne over that of the most high...and thats already been done and you KNOW the result.


Again! How much Word? All of it! Whose word? GOD'S WORD NOT MANS.


STOP WRESTING SCRIPTURE THAT GOD ALREADY SETTLED!


Welches PASTURIZED the grape juice and cooked it to kill the natually occurring yeast that would have turned it into alcohol.


Go look up when pasturizarion was invented and do some math on the differences in dates....Ill give you a hint...your gonna have to take off your socks to count that high and then you will have your answer on if they had "grape juice"


Man that fruit is already turning alcoholic on the vine.

Unfermented grape juice is technically leavened, and thus not suitable for passover. Fermented grape juice (wine) is no longer leavened, the wine is technically unleavened because it cannot ferment any more, the yeast has been used up.

I do not know if pasteurized grape juice would qualify as leavened, or unleavened. It cannot ferment because the yeast is dead, but the yeast hasn't been "used up". Interesting rabbinical-style debate.