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Originally Posted by Esaias
This is nonsensical. This is saying "everybody just automatically knows what is right and wrong without God saying so." So what do we need a Bible for? Why did God bother saying how we are to live?
The truth is man is an idiot who can't figure out right from wrong without divine revelation. Thus, man is to live by every word of God.
Your argument that "because it wasn't written that people were commanded xyz before Moses, therefore there was no moral obligation" fails.
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Originally Posted by mfblume
No because even heathen civilizations had much morality. But we argued this veggie as well when we spoke about how the heathen know by sheer nature many moral issues. To me, your idea is fitting scripture into your view rather than letting it give us its view.
There's no record in the word of God for what you're proposing to say that man was keeping the Sabbath day before Moses, and it is pure assumption to say that it was the case. I'm sorry, but I need a solid word of God and you're not providing me with one.
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Originally Posted by Esaias
Heathen nations understood idolatry was sinful?
Sorry, you're grasping at invisible straws here.
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Esaisas,
You bring up an interesting point that humans do not automatically know right from wrong.
How would that fit with
Rom 2?
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
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For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.