[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

"Are the people who try to cling to the Ten Commandments unwittingly attempting to subvert the will of God?"

Bitterly clinging to their Bibles and guns...

Brother, it sounds like you are comparing me to Obama. It’s funny. I can assure you that I am not anything near like him.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Sounds like you are in favor of everything the ten commandments are against, and against everything the ten commandments are for.

Actually, you seem to have read me all wrong. There was a time in my life that the check the box mentality of the old covenant appealed to me. I liked the idea that I could go down the list and check to make sure I did this and didn’t do that and I would be saved and go to heaven based on my own efforts and righteousness and holiness. I never believed that it was the case, but I kind of wished it were. Kind of like a contest, where if you won, (by your own works) you won the trophy, which was admittance to heaven. I’m not saying this is you, I’m saying that it WAS me. So I’m not a complete stranger to the concept.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Hebrews 10:5-9 KJV
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: [6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. [7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. [8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein ; which are offered by the law; [9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Interestingly, you failed to read your own citation. It isn't the ten commandments God had no delight in, which were "taken away" to establish some antinomian utopia. Rather it is the SACRIFICE AND BURNT OFFERINGS which God had no liking to.

I understand that God had no pleasure in the sacrifices. But the sacrifices were part of the one covenant that Hebrews describes. So were the Ten Commandments. The covenant waxing old and ready to vanish contained the Ten Commandments as well as the laws of sacrifices, dietary laws, moral laws etc.. it doesn’t mean it’s okay to do all these things. Some of these things are covered in the new covenant (New Testament).

Originally Posted by Esaias

But anyway, the post was pretty good, until you ruined it with the insane final little bit where you seemed to be channeling the average "progressive" pinko commie,

I’ll thank you for the pretty good part and try to defend against the crazy pinko commie part. I’m really generally conservative in my unbiased opinion.

I may be crazy but it keeps me from going insane. Who said that?

Seriously tho. I have an idea that I’ve been thinking about. Tell me what you think. It is that we conservatives, accuse liberals of being of the mindset that believes that anything that isn’t outlawed, should be made mandatory. It seems to be pretty accurate politically speaking at least.

But it has occurred to me that, in the context of churches it seems to flip. It is the conservatives that want to make mandatory what is not outlawed. Think about it.