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Old 03-02-2019, 08:45 PM
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Re: 7th Day Sabbath not for New Testament believer

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Originally Posted by mfblume View Post
His commandments are not the ten commandments you always cite. That is a favouritie sabbatarian argument. MY COMMANDMENTS must refer to the ten and none others. Meanwhile Jesus contrasted his commandments from some of the ten here:

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

He takes the sixth commandment and instead says HIS WORDS. HIS COMMANDMENTS are never stipulated to be the ten from Sinai. That is not to say He is not the God who issued those ten. But as Son of man comer to redeem and bring in the new covenant, not intending us to break any old commandments, he brought HIS commandments which go far beyond the ten!

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Here he againsdistinguishes what HE SAYS in the new covenant from the ten commandments. Again, don't put words in my mouth and claim he is giving people license to commit adultery or murder. Let’s not be politicians.

HIS commandments and HIS YOKE are far higher than the obedience to commandments by making flesh keep them. His yoke is not doing anything on his own but what His father tells Him. As He lived by the father we live by HIM. THAT is his yoke.
You complained about straw man arguments, yet I did not say YOU believe xyz which is wrong... when you never affirmed or supported xyz. I DID provide you and the readers with more information about some of the arguments you try to use, showing their historical and theological background.

But more to the point, your post quoted above IS INDEED a genuine strawman argument. I never asserted or affirmed that when Jesus said "My commandments" that He "must refer to the ten and no others." I said His commandments INCLUDE the ten commandments. They include EVERY COMMAND/TEACHING IN THE WORD OF GOD.

I would have thought you understood that.

The other straw man argument is your constant arguing against "flesh making flesh obey in one's own will power" (paraphrasing). I never suggested that, I don't know ANYBODY who would suggest that except deists and atheists and possibly some liberalised catholics (?), and in fact I have repeatedly shown how it is the HOLY GHOST that leads and empowers us to OBEY GOD'S LAWS, according to the Bible.
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