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Originally Posted by Wilsonwas

So souls behind what once was the iron curtain of Soviet control, that met, against the law, were rebellious? Rebellion is the sin of witchcraft, so obviously these were terrible people that should have turned on their fellows as following the law of the land equates to following the law of Christ?
I do not feel any law above the natural law that is found in the ten commandments is valid law. Thus those in the church that break these laws are by definition law breakers, but that does not make it sin, nor rebellion against God.

Seems very convenient that US law as often cited and encouraged by Republicans is a big deal to many conservative Christians including those that also love "standards" mostly that include 1950s values. Yet Champion Mrs. Davis for not handing marriage licences to gays, which was a directly rebeliious act. -
Before anyone then claims that this is somehow a statement supporting gay marriage, let me state that I can be for the rights of someone to do something, under the law of the land, that I disagree with, or even find sinful, without condoning the sin itself. I can also state that it would seem sin by scriptural references, thus I dont condone gay marriage in the church. This is strictly a government question. I can also say that equivocating non-biblical standards to sin, does not elevate disagreement with them to rebellion to bring us back to a Christian discussion.
In the bit I quoted the words "As long as the manmade law does not contradict the law of god"....do not appear in the scripture quoted...it rather simply states that all authority is placed in that position by God, thus if you do not like law that allows abortion, your protest is rebellion....using this verse alone.

Yet the story of the three Hebrews and a fiery furnace states exactly the opposite and the actions of Shadrach, Meschak, and Abendego, were in facr out-right rebellion, which give credence to the Jefferson statement "that rebellion against tyrants, is obedience to God.

The problem is that many Christians have become tyranical and wish to have their convictions converted to the law of the land. As a Libertarian I abhor all tyrants, no matter if they are of the right or left wing. I also tend to think this is a more Christian view, as the right of self determination is sacrosanct to choosing to follow to ones own salvation. There ouggt not to be laws of man that force this, or that force from this, so logically the less law on the books the less the liklihood of doibg either by authority of man.

You are going to all these extremes trying to justify this reasoning. But I said "As long as the man made law doesn't contradict the law of God scripture shows you are bound to it, it even says you bring judgement on yourself for breaking it." Per Romans 13:1-2 point blank! So that debunks all the things you just threw out. The Kind Davis thing, the 3 Hebrew, boys, and the Berlin Wall.

Anything that's against the law of God doesn't matter what man says. In those cases it doesn't matter what man says. But what you are talking about doesn't fall under that. In that case rebellion would be as the sin of witchcraft as you said.