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well, if i am a false prophet for suggesting that Paul be reconciled with Christ, then so be it; i am not making any prophecies, so i don't quite get your position here, phnx, sorry. And if i have demeaned Paul, i am not understanding how.

You cannot fulfill Paul and not Christ.
i would say that we have many Scriptures that suggest one can, culminating in ...but if I don't have love... but i also have to agree with you in a sense, as every Pauline verse cast at me to prove a similar argument seemed to actually culminate in Christ in that same passage. It was a few threads ago, but i think we explored at least 3 examples of this, and i don't know if you were reading then? but 'your' side did not do well there, in the former sense, however i am willing to take another whack at that if you feel you have some Scripture to consider.

I would agree that you likely cannot fulfill Christ and not Paul--which strikes me as the more acceptable way to validate Paul, if that is the goal here--but this requires some adjustments to understanding Paul imo, who begs to be taken literally while speaking of spiritual things. I will say that i was frankly as surprised as your elder no doubt was at finding Christ manifest in even the most Pauline passages, somewhere, but i have not tested this for every passage in the epistles.