thanks, but i just told EB that i was ESL because he was...posting in like fashion to this. I think it is astute enough to speculate that pretty much everyone on an OP forum considers the Beattitudes to be Holy Writ, and so i was just genuinely curious, JoReba, what kind of answer you sought. I suspected you might be Bert, a troll who is often banned from here, although i doubt that now.