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Old 05-18-2015, 01:01 AM
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Re: Revising Pentecostal history: 1908-1912

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John 3:15-18 KJV
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus says the persons who believes is not condemned, yet several 3 steppers have condemned a host of believers. Not just random believers (which would be bad enough) but Christian missionaries and preachers and martyrs. People who spent their lives translating the scripture, giving the church her great hymns of the faith, who build Christian orphanages and hospitals. I am not saying that ANY of these things are grounds for salvation, but noting that these were believers whose faith was born out in their lives, not psuedo-disciples. But according to Esaias and others, they're condemned. Doesn't really matter what Jesus said, because He couldn't have meant that, because it doesn't fit your theology.

Romans 5:1, 9 KJV
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Paul says that a person can be justified by faith, and thereby saved from the wrath of God. But you guys have already pronounced the wrath of God on all who haven't had the name of Jesus spoken over them AND spoken in tongues.
Doesn't really matter what Paul says either, I suppose. It doesn't mean that if it doesn't fit your theology.

Romans 10:9-10 KJV
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

How 'bout this one, care to explain it away? Let me guess "Romans was written to people that were already saved, you can't teach salvation from Romans." That's one way to get around the scripture without ever addressing it. Ahh, its probably a mistake anyway. Paul probably meant "with the heart one believes, and with the mouth they speak in tongues unto salvation."

Mark 2:5 KJV
When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.

Who does Jesus think He is forgiving sins on the basis of faith? The Sovereign God? Oh well its not relevant to us, because he changed the rules about forgiveness after the cross.

Luke 23:42-43 KJV
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

The thief on the cross? Who cares about the thief on the cross? That was the easy believism of the Old Covenant. The covenant changed after the cross, just read the book of Hebrews. Christ doesn't just forgive sins like He did in the gospels anymore. Now we have formulas and experiences to take care of all that.
Baptism is not necessary than only faith? Why did Paul get baptized? Faith will lead you to obey. Why do people not want to obey Acts 2:38? My experience is that people are so blinded by tradition that they will refuse to see. Others who do see it will disregard it and and say it doesn't even matter. I was told before if you believe in Jesus you could be baptized in the name of bubble gum. It doesn't really matter???? That doesn't sound like a person who has a zeal for God. The book that has made Christ known to me doesn't matter about the instructions it says in follow Him.


the question
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37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
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38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call
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