[Timmy]

Sigh. OK, point by point.

Originally Posted by mfblume

No. Christians WERE sinners, but now are not since salvation.

Oh, you got me there. Man, what was I thinking? Saying we are all sinners? It completely slipped my mind that you guys are not sinners. Not anymore. Wow. How dumb of me.

There is that word DESERVE again. Where does this come from? This is a loaded statement. Who said anything about DESERVING it? That's why I said God decides who goes to hell or not, but where did this DESERVING thing come from? I do not even think in those terms when I think of hell.


Again, a skewed version of the actual picture. Show me one verse that says someone DESERVES hell.

See above.

To paraphrase a certain famous Spaniard:

You keep not wanting me to use that word. I don't think it doesn't mean what you think it doesn't mean.

Aside from the ever-mocking tone, the truth is God cannot die. God manifested in flesh and the humanity died since we are humans and must die. If GOD died, then we GODS must have been judged to die, too.

I posted a follow-up to this one. Here's a rewrite:

4. There's a way to get out of our deserved punishment. Turns out, if someone else is punished for us, we don't have to be punished. But it can't be just anyone. It has to be someone who doesn't deserve to be punished. Namely, God's own son, Jesus. If Jesus dies instead of us, and stays dead for about three days, we're off the hook. And of course, Jesus did this. He died and stayed dead for about three days, so we could escape our just punishment.

Actually, we are considered to have DIED the death penalty VIA Christ. No one got out of anything.

I'll stick to my guns on this one. Yes. You are getting out of eternal punishment, in your theology. You cannot deny that. (Why would you?) Sure, say you are "considered to have DIED", if you want. But you can't possibly think that is a punishment! Considered, but not actually. That's the whole point of the Gospel: YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIE. I don't have to cite scriptures for that. You know them.

Obfuscate the real issue all you like, as usual, but the truth is that the faith the bible teaches to have in the work of the cross for salvation IS SIMPLE to understand.

Funniest thing you've ever posted! SIMPLE? Yeah, that's why there are one zillion different ways to be saved, and counting. But your way is right. Those others are wrong.

And oh, please, don't correct "your way" -- you know exactly what I mean: "your" way is the way you "know" is the right way, and the only Biblically correct way. It's obvious to you but not to those who disagree, and you call it the "Bible's way" rather than your way, but so do others who have a different interpretation, and you know it!

I guess those others, who read the simply Bible and get something else from it, don't actually want to be saved? Or something?

Again, cynical avoidance of the actuality that asking amiss is seeking to enjoy sinful lusts with the answer.

Uh huh. I asked amiss when I prayed for my brother's healing. And so did all the hundreds of others who prayed for his healing. We all asked amiss. Every. Single. One.

We were all seeking to enjoy sinful lusts with the (desired) answer. Yes, that explains everything!

You are sick.

You twisted everything as usual. lol



The way you twisted the actual issues is indeed designed to spread doubt. You mock the God of the Bible. You do that purposely and word things the way you do solely to show others this view of God in the bible is wrong.



It's not the way I believe them.



Get some respect for a change. Phew.

Respect where respect is due? I have plenty of that.