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Originally Posted by Timmy

Oh, that post.

Well, it seems that some people are afraid of simple, straight-forward questions.

No, that was not my point.

It's the mission to inflict doubt about the bible at every chance you get. Your personality was an extreme one where you felt that if you did not get healed it drove you crazy to the point of suicidal thoughts. That is an extreme personality. Your son was the same when he could not get victory over his gay lifestyle. Suicide. No room for trust that you perhaps did not exhaust all the routes to victory, and no faith to wait for God to bring the answer.

Since you feel the bible is wrong, you go waaaay out of your way to post and post and repost -- at any chance you get -- a mockery of someone's words who trusts in God. THAT IS an extreme personality that goes along with suicidal thoughts when you weren't healed. That is not normal, dude! Over and over again on a christian forum. Think about it. That's waay out there, T.

George Mueller said the key to his unbelievable faith in seeing prayers answers by the droves was knowing when something is God's will, God did not say when but He did say it would be answered. Hence, FAITH cannot stand without patience to wait, with patience being the bridge that supports faith. Or else there simply is not any faoith.

For example, Steve Epley will not answer me when I ask where my grandmother, a trinitarian, is spending eternity. Says might change be merciful -- i.e., he might not send every lost soul to hell. I kid you not. (But he says he knows where he is spending eternity. Apparently, Steve knows when God might change his mind and when he won't.)

And you, for example, claim not to know if my son deserves to burn in hell. (Sorry, the lake of fire. Thanks, Prax. ) That surprised me, actually. You even retorted "where did that come from?" As if you didn't know.

No, my retort was not to imply I did not know. I said why on earth would you bring that into the picture, as though such a response is too way out there for the issue we spoke about. Like, whoa! Why would you even think of saying that? DESERVING HELL, for one thing is not the issue about hell. God is trying to stop people from going there, not deciding who deserves it or not. lol

You just have a totally different way of thinking and it's the pessimistic way. That's what I mean by your issue against faith. Faith is a poison to you. It's like the concept of faith is something you cannot grasp. If you tried all you know, it does not come to you that maybe there's a path you do not know about. But that does not occur to you. You just tried all that there is, period, so you should die as a result. Hence, suicidal thoughts.

Just by thinking I implied I did not know about your son's worthiness for hell or not shows you simply cannot consider any other option of thought than the one you presently know about. Omniscience, as it were. Some folks cannot stand the thought that they just might have missed something. So rather than think that way, think suicide.

That is really extreme, Timmy. I rarely ever heard of anyone thinking suicide if they coudl not get healed due to frustration with God! Wow.

So, again, where did that response come from?

shocking to Doesn't the Bible tell you that the wages of sin is death? It's not talking about no-more-breathing type death, now, is it? Is it? Is it not talking about "spiritual death"? Punishment? Eternal punishment?

Well, if not, I guess you learn something new every day.

Again, where do you get the thoughts like this to say these things? It's waaaay out there, Timmy. Seriously. I guess hte glass is always half empty.