Jason wrote
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The true gospel and full Bible salvation wasn't even a part of 90% of the church age?
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And it still isn't for I'd say, 95% of the world today. It has never been popular. What is popular today, is “just believe.”
Jason wrote
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All the great men, all the people who made serious contributions to the church, the men who bled and gave their lives to translate scripture, who were tortured in horrific ways simply for their faith in Christ, the men who wrote the hymns we sing today (Crown Him with many crowns, Amazing Grace, Rock of Ages, etc), all the men who translated the King James Bible, all the Trinitarian commentators that we oneness people have read to help us with our foundation for what we believe (remember that in the early 1900's essentially ALL oneness people were former Trinitarians)? All those preachers who preached in such a way that men were convicted to give their lives to God to the fullest extent, to preach the gospel all over the world, only to be eaten by cannibals, have their families killed, contact deadly diseases, and pay the ultimate price for the sake of furthering the gospel of Jesus Christ.......and that NONE of these men had the Holy Ghost? None of these men were saved?
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I never said that. They are not born again. I have said, on here many times, these people will come up at the Grt Wht Throne, to be judged. And I am so very glad that God is their Judge. He is a fair Judge.
Jason wrote,
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That all of these advances against the gates of hell were by the power of flesh and philosophy? That those great hymns were written by unregenerate people "in the flesh"? That the Word of God itself was translated by infidels who subscribed to paganism--and yet many oneness people to this day swear by that translation to the point they believe all others are perversions. And God's Spirit wasn't working redemption in any of these people (or very few)? Did God reveal justification by faith to Martin Luther, but refuse to fill him with His Spirit so as to leave Luther to burn in hell? Did God so stir John Wesley to seek after holiness, only to leave Him to try to achieve that holiness in the hopelessness of the flesh? Did God so stir up men like Jonathan Edwards and Billy Sunday and the like to preach against sin in such a powerful way, only to leave those who were so moved by their messages they felt as if the wrath of God could break forth on them at any moment, to die in their sins?
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Martin Luther as well as Calvin were murderers. God is their Judge. If people judge them to be great men of God, while knowing that Calvin caused the martyrdom of Servetus. Are we judging righteous judgment? Suppose some Pentecostal preacher, thought, “Well he was a great man of God and we see what he did, maybe I can get by with the same. Ridiculous, I know, but that is where judging people of the past, gets us.
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2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise
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If we compare what they did for Christ, their works, we would come up as lazy bums. But that is not what God looks at. They as well as we, will be judged by our works. But our works must be works of obedience and works of love. It matters not what great things people do for God, if they did not obey
Acts 2:38, they are not born again. No doubt God will reward them, for we are told----”
If we give a drink of water------
Because they are not born again, they will not come up in the First Resurrection, but will stand before God at the GWT.
No doubt some of them were wonderful men of God, serving God with all of the Light that they had. God is their judge, but I wouldn't want to pattern my life after theirs.
Here is group of men, that traveled the world to make proselytes to the Jewish Religion
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Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves
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You would think that Jesus would praise them. They would have taught the Law, except they no doubt did not teach the spirit of the Law. And He called them hypocrites.
Jason wrote
Did God "little by little" lead people out of the RCC but not save them? What good is being led from a burning house to fall off a cliff? Did God basically save no one from 100 AD-1900AD?
I believe I answered that.
TO BE CONTINUED