Jason wrote,
Quote:
|
So you believe that someone can be a believer but they are not saved? Can you give a scripture to support that view? Does not the Bible equate true belief with salvation numerous times in the NT?
|
First, no one is saved yet. Only when we hear, “Well done,” will we be certain.
And yes, I can give scripture.
Quote:
Acts 8:5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
:6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did
|
.
At this point they are Believers. But Phillip knew better than to leave them as just Believers. So he baptized them in Jesus name, and he knew that Believers don't automatically receive the Holy Ghost as soon as they believe, so sent for Peter and John. They are still Believers, because they have not been born again.
Quote:
:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost
|
.
And then we have the example in
Acts 19. These were Believers, taught by Apollos, and had been baptized unto Johns baptism and had not received the Holy Ghost.
Paul, baptizes them they right way, and prayed for them to receive the Holy Ghost.
There is no other way.
Jason wrote,
Quote:
|
Second to that what do you mean by your last paragraph? Are you saying that someone's life can appear righteous, but if they haven't spoken in tongues then really their righteousness is just a show for other men?
|
I believe a better way of putting that would be, If they haven't received the Holy Ghost, with the evidence, they can not live righteous lives. They don't have the power of God to help them.
Jason wrote,
Quote:
|
I've heard that viewpoint from oneness viewpoint, of course the irony is few groups are as works based as oneness pentecostals who believe their righteousness consists in what they wear and what they don't do, rarely actually emphasizing the Spirit of holiness which affects attitudes, thoughts, treatment of others......they tend to have a neo pharaseeical view which equates holiness with dress code and adornment. From that standpoint who is trying to gain the approval of men?
|
So sad, but soooo true. But not all Pentecostals are like that. They will be judged by their works and if they are not works of love,?????????