[Jason B]

Originally Posted by renee819

Servetus wrote,
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When a person uses the word, “saves” or “saved” it is important to know what they are talking about. I usually use “born again” as the salvation/regeneration experience. It takes faith in God to be born again. And only since the cross can people be born again. Noah and Abraham, could not be born again. And after being born again, we are constantly growing in grace, as we thru faith, preform acts of love.

Servetus wrote,

No of course not. But usually people that say that, are not truly born again, (at least the ones that I have talked to) believe that faith saves them and that to obey Acts 2:38 is 'works.” and believing that Jesus did it all, there is nothing for them to do.

Servetus wrote,

The sinner can not make themselves holy before they receive the Holy Ghost. No one can live a holy and righteous life, without the Holy Ghost, because they do not yet, have the “divine nature” inside of them.
There are millions of people that have repented, and want to live for God. And that makes them BELIEVERS. But these BELIEVERS, need to be baptized in Jesus name and receive the Holy Ghost, as BELIEVERS in Acts 8 and 19 did.

Many men do works of righteousness, good works, to prove to themselves and others, that they are good. But if you could see their lives, then you could know that they are not righteous.
Not that anyone is 'righteous' before God, but after being born again, we must 'grow in grace.' however, millions are being taught wrong.

So you believe that someone can be a believer but they are not saved? Can you give a scripture to support that view? Does not the Bible equate true belief with salvation numerous times in the NT?

Second to that what do you mean by your last paragraph? Are you saying that someone's life can appear righteous, but if they haven't spoken in tongues then really their righteousness is just a show for other men? I've heard that viewpoint from oneness viewpoint, of course the irony is few groups are as works based as oneness pentecostals who believe their righteousness consists in what they wear and what they don't do, rarely actually emphasizing the Spirit of holiness which affects attitudes, thoughts, treatment of others......they tend to have a neo pharaseeical view which equates holiness with dress code and adornment. From that standpoint who is trying to gain the approval of men?