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Originally Posted by Aquila
Balderdash. The hijacking of marriage is the ROOT of this problem. Don’t you realize that if the GOVERNMENT hadn’t taken over marriage we’d not be worried about the GOVERNMENT recognizing gay marriage and legally forcing institutions to recognize it??? Also, consider how the STATE’S meddling and family court laws have made marriage such a high stakes risk, wherein it’s actually lucrative to file for “no fault divorce”. Family court law is so complicated and oppressive… nearly 43% to 45% of American couples choose to cohabitate (essentially privatizing their relationship and insulating themselves from the GOVERNMENT as much as possible). If you do a study on the subject of Marriage Privatization you’ll notice that a growing trend among more and more conservatives and libertarians is to push for the institution’s privatization. So… the “law of the land” is corrupt and oppressive. Ask any man who has been at the mercy of the family court system or religious parents that have had their religion used against them in the family courts. Statutory marriage has become something to oppose. There are even pastors admonishing congregation members NOT to seek marriage licenses and holding private marriages wherein the church signs a certificate in the couple’s family Bible and leaves it at that. Not only that, but Quakers also traditionally refuse to seek marriage licenses. The answer to the problem is to shove the state sanctioned “institution” back at the state and say, “Marriage is a private contract. GOVERNMENT get out!!!”
GOVERNMENT’S involvement is the SOURCE of the problem. And they will NEVER rule against personal liberties. So your desire to praise the “law of the land” is insuring that we all have to recognize gay marriage when your precious GOVERNMENT legalizes it.
It’s the very essence of the problem. The question as to state involvement determines if we all should be forced by the GOVERNMENT to recognize gay marriage or not. Don’t you see that??? The SCOTUS will not rule against personal liberty and private legal arrangements. The ONLY way to insulate ourselves is not to seek to empower the GOVERNMENT even MORE and encourage that they vote our way with bated breath… but to TAKE IT BACK.
And if YOU believe that the STATE should be empowered to regulate the institution of marriage... your STATIST position will not only backfire... and even IF you see the SCOTUS rule in your favor... you've used the STATE to enforce YOUR convictions on millions of free citizens. Something no liberty minded Libertarian can just sit back and accept.
Here's the deal... gays aren't going away. They will NEVER stop fighting to do the very thing YOU'RE doing... they too want to use the STATE to force their convictions on us. The problem is... the GOVERNMENT is going to vote their way. Not only on the grounds of civil rights and personal liberties... but just to shut them up.
The ONLY true resolution is to take the stand that marriage should be privatized again. And if you get married... establish a private marriage and tell the GOVERNMENT to shove it.
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Is there a bill or the threat of a bill to be introduced into Congress emasculating the fed. from the marriage process? If so I am unaware of it and it is possible I could be ignorant of it. if so please enlighten me on the status and what the bill number is so I can keep tabs on it. I would be in favor of it in principle but there are other considerations as well such as children and how adoptions would be handled. Unfortunately the tentacles of govt. have woven themselves around to much of society and uprooting one govt. power may have unintended consequences in other seemingly unrelated areas. Questions such as the tax code - what happens? What about child custody issues when people "divorce" in the new/old system. What about insurance whether it be health or life? All the laws surrounding these also have to be changed because they are based upon the fact of govt. control over marriage. All the hyperbole means nothing because the reality is that govt. does have control and we can either bury our heads in the sand or we can at least voice our collective opinion that homosexuality is wrong.
It is a biological perversion.
It is not the environment children prosper in.
It is a slippery slope to other aberrations.
Finally, it is sin.