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Originally Posted by Aquila
YOU aren't forbidden to hold a biblical morality. But another isn't forbidden to hold a nonbiblical morality. Else you'd want the GOVERNMENT to prohibit second marriages if the original wasn't on the grounds of adultery. If you'd not demand that of GOVERNMENT... you're saying one sinful marriage is okay while another isn't. Now you'd be a hypocrite. So... do you think GOVERNMENT should prohibit second marriages wherein the dissolution of the first was on unbiblical grounds???
You CAN'T use the STATE to enforce YOUR interpretation of Scripture upon me or anyone else.
What if we took a more Catholic interpretation of the Bible, as many mainstream Christians do... let's assume one believes that the Bible prohibits ALL remarriage after divorce. Now do we ban remarriage after divorce????
This blending of religion and state was something that was tried before and it ended terribly. Our Founders stood for personal liberty, free from state sponsored religion and/or religious morality. Our liberty is based on one fundamental principle. We were intended to do as we desired as long as we didn't endanger another person's life, liberty, or property.
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Some people poo-poo the seperation of church and state. However, they fail to realize that the fastest growing religious body in the United States is the Islamic community. If we DON'T insulate our government from religious influence... within the next couple generations we'll see a "Coalition for Islamic Justice" and they will attempt to FORCE sharia law into the system. We need to stop listening to political dolts who are just using religion to get elected by politicizing hot button issues and return to the vision of LIBERTY that our Founders truly invisioned.
If you don't support the separation of church and state... as far as I'm concerned... you're an enemy to the Constitution. That means BOTH the Democrats (who undermine property rights) and the Republicans (who undermine human rights) are the enemy. It's time to press for the growth and defense of liberty. It's time to advance a truly Libertarian Party.
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You have inferred that unless someone agrees with you they are an "enemy of the Constitution". This statement bothers me. I have simply asked you to prove the assertion that someone is an enemy of the Constitution because they vote Biblical values. I agree the state cannot be used to enforce various interpretations of scripture. Here is the conundrum, we must vote with our values and for the Christian those values are biblically based. What you are doing (as it appears to me) is to subtlety silence Christians from using their moral value system to vote. Had the Christians been silent on slavery who knows where that institution would be today. I renounce the idea that I must be silent because I am a Christian.
I do agree with this statement of yours:
"Our liberty is based on one fundamental principle. We were intended to do as we desired as long as we didn't endanger another person's life, liberty, or property."
The problem here as it relates to homosexual marriage is that it is far more than two people getting married. It effects adoption and the tax code as well. What is best for children? Is is a single parent home or a home where the two biological parent work together to raise the children? What is best for children? A homosexual couple or the biological parents working together to raise the children? Studies, science, have shown time and time and time again... That children have the best opportunity for success when raised by their biological parents. This is a proven scientific fact. We should set the bar high and not dumb it down. One recent study that comes to mind is the Regnerus study. I would recommend everyone read through the study. I don't have it with me currently so I will not speak specifically about because I have many studies from many sources and I don't want to infer something that may have been from another study. However, the Regnerus study is recent and had a high sample rate in comparison to other studies on the subject of what is best for children. This is the heart of the issue and the Biblical model has proven to be the best model.
As to the comments on Islam and Sharia Law - It is a real threat to the Constitution and goes beyond what "Christians" advocate. Sharia subverts the Constitution completely. It sets up a code of conduct that touches every aspect of society while doing away with the Constitution altogether and the Bill of Rights associated with it. No true comparison can be made between Sharia Law and Christians standing up for the Biblilcal family model.