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Originally Posted by Pliny
I understand full well how the state has taken over marriage contracts. That really does not matter much considering that it (the hijacking of marriage, as you put it) is history and we are living in the present dealing with an issue in the present. Whether this should have ever occurred or not is not the question, the fact is what is relevant is that it (the hijacking of marriage) has happened and that is the law of the land currently.
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Balderdash. The hijacking of marriage is the ROOT of this problem. Don’t you realize that if the GOVERNMENT hadn’t taken over marriage we’d not be worried about the GOVERNMENT recognizing gay marriage and legally forcing institutions to recognize it??? Also, consider how the STATE’S meddling and family court laws have made marriage such a high stakes risk, wherein it’s actually lucrative to file for “no fault divorce”. Family court law is so complicated and oppressive… nearly 43% to 45% of American couples choose to cohabitate (essentially privatizing their relationship and insulating themselves from the GOVERNMENT as much as possible). If you do a study on the subject of Marriage Privatization you’ll notice that a growing trend among more and more conservatives and libertarians is to push for the institution’s privatization. So… the “law of the land” is corrupt and oppressive. Ask any man who has been at the mercy of the family court system or religious parents that have had their religion used against them in the family courts. Statutory marriage has become something to oppose. There are even pastors admonishing congregation members NOT to seek marriage licenses and holding private marriages wherein the church signs a certificate in the couple’s family Bible and leaves it at that. Not only that, but Quakers also traditionally refuse to seek marriage licenses. The answer to the problem is to shove the state sanctioned “institution” back at the state and say, “Marriage is a private contract. GOVERNMENT get out!!!”
GOVERNMENT’S involvement is the SOURCE of the problem. And they will NEVER rule against personal liberties. So your desire to praise the “law of the land” is insuring that we all have to recognize gay marriage when your precious GOVERNMENT legalizes it.
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Whether state authority over marriage is the right thing or not is another subject and not relevant to the discussion at hand as it is based upon what the laws are currently.
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It’s the very essence of the problem. The question as to state involvement determines if we all should be forced by the GOVERNMENT to recognize gay marriage or not. Don’t you see that??? The SCOTUS will not rule against personal liberty and private legal arrangements. The ONLY way to insulate ourselves is not to seek to empower the GOVERNMENT even MORE and encourage that they vote our way with bated breath… but to TAKE IT BACK.
And if YOU believe that the STATE should be empowered to regulate the institution of marriage... your STATIST position will not only backfire... and even IF you see the SCOTUS rule in your favor... you've used the STATE to enforce YOUR convictions on millions of free citizens. Something no liberty minded Libertarian can just sit back and accept.
Here's the deal... gays aren't going away. They will NEVER stop fighting to do the very thing YOU'RE doing... they too want to use the STATE to force their convictions on us. The problem is... the GOVERNMENT is going to vote their way. Not only on the grounds of civil rights and personal liberties... but just to shut them up.
The ONLY true resolution is to take the stand that marriage should be privatized again. And if you get married... establish a private marriage and tell the GOVERNMENT to shove it.