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Christ said to worry about the beam in your own eye before the speck out of someone else's eye. The people the alleged actions affect are the people in Memphis. A hangnail in your finger isn't going to affect your ability to walk. While feet and hands are part of the same body, they work independant of each other. The foot doesn't get bent out of shape if your finger has a hangnail. The foot keeps on doing what its supposed to do without griping about the weakness of the finger.

Again you fail to grasp the of the 80/20 rule. A couple wikipedia comments cut and pasted doesn't give the whole story. Studies shows on a good day, people are lucky to retain 80 percent of what they hear.

Let's see how the 80/20 principle worked in the Bible. Out of the thousands jesus ministered to, He chose 70. Christ narrowed the 70 to 12. Out 500 in the upper room, 120 stayed for the promise. 80/20 rule.

Your job isn't to get people saved. Your job is to mentor them. Jesus gave the mandate to make disciples. Jesus spent more time with His disciples than He did with the multitudes. Jesus didn't beg for disciples. When people didn't accept the invitation to be a disciple, Jesus went on.

You are confusing charity and compassion with discipleship. No one is suggesting to make irrational rushes to judgement with the poor. The role of 80/20 in the church ministry is to teach the 20 percent to be productive and fruitful. In otherwords grow the 20 percent expontentially.

Your conclusions are based on faulty analysis. More examples of the 80/20 rule. Joshua, Caleb an estimated 20 percent used to lead people to the promised land.

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Observing and commenting on a situation is neither self anointed, nor self appointed.

But I and other people do have a right to observe and comment any situation that concerns the church. I do not divide Christ's church into separate anthills. Anything that happens 100, 1000, 5000 miles from me or even around the world that represents Christ, affects me because I am in the same church as they. There is only one church and it is Christ's church. The image that any Holy Ghost filled person creates by the deeds they do affects the entire body of Christ, both here and afar. If a minister who is respected across the country has a moral failure, the entire body of Christ suffers from the pain.

People are weird creatures. They want to deny the effect that another man's moral failure has on the body, but are willing to castigate another class of people (muslims) when their leaders commit sin and attribute that to that entire class of people.


And gee...you get worse and worse in your comparisons. The Pareto rule? It's a rule based on economics, but it can be applied to anything...just as you say. So ok. Let's apply it to your church system. And lets use this website as a guide that gives more of an explanation than you did.

http://management.about.com/cs/gener...reto081202.htm

***In 1906, Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto created a mathematical formula to describe the unequal distribution of wealth in his country, observing that twenty percent of the people owned eighty percent of the wealth. In the late 1940s, Dr. Joseph M. Juran inaccurately attributed the 80/20 Rule to Pareto, calling it Pareto's Principle. While it may be misnamed, Pareto's Principle or Pareto's Law as it is sometimes called, can be a very effective tool to help you manage effectively.***

So...you apply this to your church system. A pastor can use this principle to the people within the four walls of a church building.

Continuing on.....

***Where It Came From

After Pareto made his observation and created his formula, many others observed similar phenomena in their own areas of expertise. Quality Management pioneer, Dr. Joseph Juran, working in the US in the 1930s and 40s recognized a universal principle he called the "vital few and trivial many" and reduced it to writing. In an early work, a lack of precision on Juran's part made it appear that he was applying Pareto's observations about economics to a broader body of work. The name Pareto's Principle stuck, probably because it sounded better than Juran's Principle.
As a result, Dr. Juran's observation of the "vital few and trivial many", the principle that 20 percent of something always are responsible for 80 percent of the results, became known as Pareto's Principle or the 80/20 Rule.

What It Means

The 80/20 Rule means that in anything a few (20 percent) are vital and many(80 percent) are trivial.***

So...are you saying that in your church system, 20 percent are vital to you and the rest (80 % ) are trivial members? Do you discount that 80 percent who are looking for Christ?

Gee...what happened to the church proclaiming to be a beacon of light to Christ if 80% of the people are considered to be trivial IF you apply your Pareto's scientific study to human beings?

I guess it is easy to discount human beings thought of as trailor trash or lazy welfare recipients. Don't mess with em because they will never be anything more than what they are now. (tic)

Yeah...and don't cross over to the other side of the road and be a good samaritan to the man who was robbed and left for dead.


You have your reward here on earth.



***In Pareto's case it meant 20 percent of the people owned 80 percent of the wealth.***

Or are you saying that in your church system 20 percent of the people at the top own 80 percent of the wealth in the church. Does this apply at TB's church for example?



*** In Juran's initial work he identified 20 percent of the defects causing 80 percent of the problems. Project Managers know that 20 percent of the work (the first 10 percent and the last 10 percent) consume 80 percent of your time and resources. You can apply the 80/20 Rule to almost anything, from the science of management to the physical world. [how about the spiritual world?]
You know 20 percent of your stock takes up 80 percent of your warehouse space and that 80 percent of your stock comes from 20 percent of your suppliers. Also 80 percent of your sales will come from 20 percent of your sales staff. 20 percent of your staff will cause 80 percent of your problems, but another 20 percent of your staff will provide 80 percent of your production. It works both ways.***


Now we will get down to the nitty gritty.

***How It Can Help You

The value of the Pareto Principle for a manager is that it reminds you to focus on the 20 percent that matters.***

So...if you apply this principle to your congregation, it is telling me that you only want to focus on the 20 percent of the people and everybody else can be considered to be trivial or trailer trash.

Hmmm....Did Paul teach that people were trivial? Or trailer trash because they were common...poor...simple?

I am going to skip the next portion to get to this. One can read it from the link if so desires.


***There is a management theory floating around at the moment that proposes to interpret Pareto's Principle in such a way as to produce what is called Superstar Management. The theory's supporters claim that since 20 percent of your people produce 80 percent of your results you should focus your limited time on managing only that 20 percent, the superstars. The theory is flawed, as we are discussing here because it overlooks the fact that 80 percent of your time should be spent doing what is really important. Helping the good become better is a better use of your time than helping the great become terrific. Apply the Pareto Principle to all you do, but use it wisely.***


So...didn't Christ say that the shepherd left the 99 to look for the one lost sheep that went astray? Are you saying that since only 20 % of the people in your congregation produce the results pleasing to you, you will let the other 80% go astray?


Aside from all this nonsense, at the end of each of our lives, we will give a true accounting to our Lord and Savior for what we do that matters to HIM. And we will answer for our attitude in how we serve Him. He knows us through and through and while the 'trailer trash' may not be pleasing to another human being, God may see his heart of gold, a humble spirit, or a broken spirit.

In the end, it doesn't matter if we are one of the leadership's 20% who praise our works or if we are the trailer trash that is despised. God is righteous and will judge each one of our works righteously.

We will see if Pareto's Principle is respected by God.