Re: Do They Really Believe This?
OH ok so you wandered again. Lets get things on track
The founding of the nation of America was certainly not settled by the descendents of Islam. True. The founding of the nation of America was settled by those who were fleeing the heavy and bloody hand of persecution in the name of the christian church and the fundamental protections set up in the constitution were to protect average citizens from christian rule. It is also true that Islam had nothing to do with this. The cruel and bloody hands of christianity were enough.
My "beam" was taken out of my eye long ago by GRACE, apart from works lest I should have boasted.
The "beam" is preventing you from seeing the passages referencing works in the context of salvation as taught by jesus and judgement as written by John who knew Jesus. You were exempted from those works only by saul / paul who neither knew Jesus nor met him.
And even then it took years to understand and accept the extent of GRACE as apart from works relative to salvation. Man resists penciling himself out of the salvic equation. He persists in believing he is somehow intrinsically instrumental in his calling and election. He persists in believing the predestination factor really proceeds from himself. This is one of the great follies of all "do it yourself" religions. Islam and present day Judaism are two peas in a pod in this respect. Work, work, work. Keep Saturday as the Sabbath. Don't eat hog. Do this, do that, bow down, face Mecca. Etc.
Work, work, work, sabbath, hog, do this, do that were handed to a Messenger by God himself. Who do you think you are to look down on this message? Was Moses a messenger of God or not? Not only a silly but also an arrogant rabbit. Those are not Jewish or Islamic rules that you are putting down. Those are rules and laws taken out of your own "holy?" book.
Yes, you are a lost and dying individual as you now stand. Mohammad could not save himself much less others. He could not lead his disciples to the WAY. He is NOT the prophet of the TRUE and LIVING GOD. His "one god" was Allah, the one god as opposed to the many gods of the desert, the MOON GOD.
His "One God" was Eli/ELOH as referenced in the Aramaic language of Jesus. Jesus also prayed to ELI and taught his followers to do the same. The word "Allah" is on page (1) of the Arabic bible in Genesis (14) times.
Now tell me why would the name of a "moon god" be referenced in the christian bible? "EL" is the name for God in the original texts of your own bible MANY more times than the name you reference
Indeed Islam has one god, Allah. They freely and persistenly confess Allah. But the Allah is not the HaShem of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ... THE GOD and FATHER our the LORD Yeshua Messiah. And therein lies all the difference in the universe.
Allah is "EL" from the time of Abram in Genesis to "Immanu EL"
Islam is a dead end philosophy as is other Eastern Religions and philosophies. They lead to eternal separation from the Presence of the LORD. There is no efficacy in the teachings of the Koran. Practical information, "laws," inter personal directives but no path leading to the Saviour. It is an earthly code of conduct, it has no means of a true gospel.
Not according to Jesus who listed out specific works that were tied to the requirements for salvation. Do I need to go get them and spell them out for you?
You have heard the Gospel, the claims of the Hebrew Prophets and Apostles so there is no excuse you will be able to offer at THAT Day. You [apparently] have been allowed to receive what cannot save, at least to this present hour. What your eventual destiny might be is not mine to know. However, should you breathe your last as a disciple of Islam, there is no hope of eternal life. None at all. You would have rejected the ONLY acceptable offering for SIN and therefore your sin would have remained which cannot be permitted to transit the next plane of existence.
As have you. You were told by Jesus, by those before him and writings after him that your deeds will determine your judgement. You have been specifically told that you will be judged by your WORKS and that your faith without them is a dead thing. You will have neither excuse nor justification for wrapping yourself in a cloak of arrogance, believing with all your heart in your salvation while walking among your fellows spreading hatred and poison. If you do not change and start teaching others to do what Jesus taught then there is no hope for you, none at all. You would have rejected the requirements specifically outlined in black in white (well usually red isnt it?) and you will not be permitted to transit the next plane of existance
Now, you must go your way to the end of [your] days and the True and Living God judges all at that [second] resurrection for those who refused the offer of the Gospel.
Yeshua alone is the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man can approach the FATHER but by Him [Yeshua]. He is the One and Only Door that leads to life eternal. Mohammad yet resides in the shades awaiting his resurrection.
Repent or Perish the King announced to the Jews. It is the WORD to this generation, Jew, Muslim, Christian [professed], mankind. It is a universal WORD. It has no earthly boundaries, its Voice rings throughout the universe.
Except you repent you shall likewise perish, eternally.
My repentence was done. Now I owe part of every day to God. Thanks though. Hopefully you will repent and turn towards Jesus and serving God as he taught you to
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Last edited by Walks_in_islam; 09-15-2012 at 04:48 PM.
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