[samuelofisrael]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

So here's a question:
Gen 3:15 (NIV)
And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”


So we see four entities in this verse:
1. You (referring to the serpent)
2. The woman (referring to Eve)
3. The offspring of the serpent (what is that??)
4. The offspring of the woman (referring to Christ)

So what do you think the "offspring of the serpent" is?

Jesus answered that question for you in John 8.

Two Greek Words are used in this passage and in fact, both the seed of the serpent AND the seed of Abraham are of the same descent but of a different "seed."

Follow if you will.

The Seed of the Woman is surely Jesus [Yeshua] the [Christ] Messiah.
The seed of the serpent is the non elect seed [sperma] of Abraham by natural descent but of their "father" [not sperma but pater, the devil].

The unbelieving Israelites were of the "sperma" of Abraham but were of their "father" the devil. These are the Words of the King and not my exposition.

Jn 8:37-44

I know that ye are Abraham's seed [Gk. "sperma"]; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father [pater] the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


The opposers of Yeshua were of the natural lineage of Abraham [sperma/seed] as Jesus fully admits but their "father" was the devil. Here we are not dealing ONLY with a biological descent but something far more important, that of spiritual faith. Those who were of Abrahams 'natural' line had no part nor lot with Jesus but took their descent [spiriturally] from satan. This Jesus sought to not only agree with them that they were of the "sperma" of Abraham but that their father was the devil.

We transcend mere biological descent into the mystery of election wherein one is of the "sperma" of Abraham AND a son of God and the other is also of the "sperma" of Abraham and yet, of their father the devil.

May I interject a passage from Apostolic Doctrine here:



Ro 9:11-17

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.



Even so, come Lord Jesus