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Originally Posted by mfblume

Just because Catholics use the concept of original to baptize infants, does not mean original sin allows for baptism of infants... and therefore, in turn, does not mean original is error. Romans 5 and 1 Cor 15 teach original sin, I believe. Otherwise babies do not need the cross.

It is not blaming God for being born sinful. It is blaming Adam.

We covered some of this together before, but why do you think Paul made these kinds of statements if he did not have a MORAL FORCE of sin in him?

Romans 7:17-23 MSG But I need something more! For if I know the law but still can't keep it, and if the power of sin within me keeps sabotaging my best intentions, I obviously need help! (18) I realize that I don't have what it takes. I can will it, but I can't do it. (19) I decide to do good, but I don't really do it; I decide not to do bad, but then I do it anyway. (20) My decisions, such as they are, don't result in actions. Something has gone wrong deep within me and gets the better of me every time. (21) It happens so regularly that it's predictable. The moment I decide to do good, sin is there to trip me up. (22) I truly delight in God's commands, (23) but it's pretty obvious that not all of me joins in that delight. Parts of me covertly rebel, and just when I least expect it, they take charge.

I only use the MSG version to get the emphasis of Paul across more.

My thoughts, anyway.

regardless man cannot blame God for sin. I disagree with using the MSG version btw

Are you saying Paul was calling himself a sinner? please clarify


What Moral force are you speaking of and where did you come up with that term?