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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith
So were people "saved" in the Old Testament? Will they be in heaven with us?
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No and yes.
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They were not saved in their lifetimes in the OT because the cross of Jesus had not been provided for the transgressions under the law. Since the atonement of the cross, they are saved.
Hebrews 9:15 KJV And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
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The major "selling point" of the New Testament is that it's much easier than the requirements of the Old Testament, correct? I mean, we've got all these laws, all these rules. But if one obeys them, if one follows the requirements, one is justified with God.
But here we have, now, the New Covenant which is much more accessible, much easier, much less difficult. But suddenly one runs into this insurmountable obstacle.....one is told one must speak in tongues!
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Again, we talked about this before, tongues are not something we have to do in order to get saved. It is something that HAPPENS ON ITS OWN when we receive the Holy Ghost. Why can't people get the concept that the CAUSE is not the EVIDENCE?
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There's one group saying this is the initial sign of the infilling of the Holy Ghost which mush be acquired in order to be saved, while another group will proclaim you "saved" without it, but continually tells you that you don't have all God has for you.
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Whatever the case, it is not a matter of trying harder when people believe you are not saved without speaking in tongues. Trying harder does not get anyone the Spirit baptism with initial "evidence" (not cause) of speaking in tongues.
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But, this person tries and tries and tries....to no avail.
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That is the problem. TRYING!
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It just seems easier to go wrestle a bull, cut his throat, drain the blood, burn him, and head back home. It's dirty, ugly, gruesome work, but hey....at least it's achievable.
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Exactly. And that is why it is not a matter of TRYING and EFFORT. Tongues is EVIDENCE NOT CAUSE.