Submission or subjection
 

Subjection

The Church has long had a tendency to confuse the words subjection and
submission, and has at times erroneously interchanged them. We shall here
attempt to note the difference.

First, we are all subjects of the Lord. Jesus is the King of kings. All other
kings are subject to the Lord Jesus; consequently, all the subjects of those
kings become the subjects of the Lord! Unlike salvation, no one is“called” to be
a subject. This is not an option, but is compulsory. In the same manner,
when the Lord speaks, the Ministry, along with the Church, should bow their
knees in reverence and say: “Speak Lord, thy servant hears.” Also, when
the Ministry preaches and/or teaches under the anointing of the Lord, we are
all subject to the Word. Note: we are not subject to the person, but to the
preaching of the anointed Word.

Whosoever is in the Kingdom is subject to the desires and whims of the King,
and has no right to express their own opinion without the consent of the king.
The laws and mandates are immutable to every subject, and they can only be
changed or altered by the king. In our Kingdom, not even the Ministry has a
right to add or detract from the King’s laws and the mandates. Our only and
sole responsibility is to speak, “Thus saith the Lord.”

Submission

Submission will always be voluntary. It may be defined as: “Making oneself
of no reputation, and to prefer others before oneself.” This could be done out
of respect, honor, obligation, or simply out of love.

We are called to submit ourselves one to another. This, of course, is evidence
of humility. The Church should remain quiet when the Minister speaks, honor the
elders, and give heed them. In the same manner, as we visit another household
we should wait until we are told to enter; remain standing until we are asked to
sit; and then ask where we should sit. The men should open the doors for their
wives and other ladies, and for the elderly; and wait until they are sitted first, and
many other things, without giving it a second thought. This comes under the heading
of common courtesy and common sense.

The Ministry should be a great example of submission. In the same manner as
the Patriarch Joseph, the Ministry is also called from among many sons. The
Ministry also has a right to dress colorfully and elegantly, and to take their place
at the dinner table. However, the Calling of the Lord has asked them to divest
themselves of a son’s clothing, and to be dressed upon in the outfit of a servant.
The Ministry has been called to serve their brothers and friends in all humility.
And the Ministry has submitted...out of love.

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Where does the Bible teach, or say directly in any shape form or fashion that the ministry is to submit to the laity?

John 15:15
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends .....
Galatians 4:7
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

It is the world that considers us a servant. Because the ministry must become all things to all men, that some would be won.

1 Corinthians 9:19-23
For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

15:20
Remember the word that I said unto you the servant is not greater than his lord if they persecuted me they will persecute you if they have kept my saying they will keep yours also.

We are all servants to Christ.

1corinthians 7:22
For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lords freeman. Likewise also he that is called being free is Christs servant .

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Where are we saints called LAITY?

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Yes Sir,
point taken. I was referring to the same.

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Ephesians 5:
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.(as equals in Christ)







(not to this guy):dogkiss


LOL

Authority: The Ministry
 

Dishonoring the Head

We must emphasize that the scriptures never affirm another authority, or head,
over another man, except Christ Jesus. The Ministry should be very learned in
this matter. In none other scripture is this more detailed than in the subsequent
testimony.

In I Kings 13, we find that “…a man of God went out from Judea…”, and he
prophesied against the altar in Beth-el. The Lord God had commanded him to enter
into the city by one way, and leave by another way, and to eat no bread or drink
water in the city. The Man of God obeyed, until an old prophet came to him and
told him that an angel of the Lord had appeared unto him and told him that the Man
of God should dine with him that night. While the old prophet and the Man of God
ate, the Holy Spirit fell upon the old prophet and he began to prophesy against the
Man of God.

There are four things to consider in this testimony: (1) the Man of God had a direct
communication with God; (2) he had no need that an angel should speak to him
through another man; (3) the Man of God had the responsibility to fulfill his mission;
(4) when the old prophet prophesied against the Man of God, it signified that the
direct communication between God and the Man of God had been broken.

The Man of God failed because he allowed another authority over him: he "covered"
his head by permitting a barrier (another man) between himself and his head, which
is the Lord Jesus Christ. In doing so, he dishonored his head. The Man of God fulfilled
part of his mission (he prophesied against the altar), but disobeyed when he ate bread
and drank water at the old prophet’s house. Because the Man of God dishonored God
through disobedience, God could not honor him. Although he is still called a Man of
God, it is obvious that the Man of God's name has been deliberately omitted!

Aside from his own wife, there is no place within or outside the Ministry where a man
may assume authority over another man, or another woman. Surely, it is not
written in vain:

“Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, dishonors his head.”

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This is a letter to the saints from an apostle.

Saints are required such.

But it doesn't say that ministry is to submit to the saints.

The saints are to follow their leader as he follow his, Christ.

Just like in the following verses.

Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Re: Submission or subjection
 

Brother Perez, the elders, deacons etc. of the churches that Paul wrote these letters to, did not have to apply these passages here?


The elders, deacons etc. are not considered saints here?

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Elders, deacons etc. need not apply this passage to themselves?.....

Ephesians 5King James Version (KJV)

5 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.


At what point in their lives, is this not written/applicable to the elders, deacons etc.?

Re: Submission or subjection
 

The word applies to all, but there is church government and Order.

Paul wasn't just setting principles to live by he was also placing order.

Without order there are all Forman.

All chefs and no Indians.

The order of the church is set so in its proper order.

The pastor is responsible, the man is second then his wife and so on.

1Corinthians 12:28-31
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.