Can/Should Christians Be Democrats?
 

I know political conversations get sticky, but what you guys think?

Can Christians be Christians and be Democrats?

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My parents have been Democrats all of their lives.
While almost always voting Republican.
And they are Christian...

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No political party can claim moral superiority. None of them are distinctly Christian. Both of the 2 parties has platform positions that Christians can embrace. Both parties have platform positions that make Christians frown.

There is no distinct American Christian political party.

Yes, I l know believers in both parties.

I have no political party preference.

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The Dems removed God from their party platform in 2016. They support, promote and encourage not just abortions, but also have began to support infanticide. They actively assault traditional families and religious beliefs. They're against school choice and promote government as the answer. They support illegal immigrants over legal citizens.

The GOP loves war, though the Dems are becoming more hawkish since Obama and Hillary.

Both parties support LGBT and love to spend your money.

I voted once for a Democrat Senator. But that was long ago when the Blue Dogs were still around. He was also very conservative and pro-life.

As for me and my house, I would never vote for a Dem today. They oppose literally everything we stand for.

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Let the Christians vote for Dems and before you know it one day your kids will come home confused because her teacher told her that she can be a boy. Or worse, they may show up one day and take one of your kids because he showed what the teacher considered a sign of possible being a “girl inside” and knowing you are Christian, they think your kid is at risk of Parent abuse.
If you think this is fiction, I encourage you to read news from Europe and Canada about the topic.
If Dems have their way, this country would become worse than Europe and Canada regarding hostility against Christians and their values, because there is a lot of fanatism about the topic.
I am independent in my thinking of politics but I can’t vote Dems and their current vision for this country.

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Speaking about the topic:

https://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WA19K18&f=WU19K04

This is unreal, it is like this strong wing is debilitating slowly but surely this country. When I see this foolishness I honestly think we are headed to dark times and it is unstoppable; almost like if the protection containing it before is long gone.

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Racism characterizes the GOP in Wisconsin. So does a anti science form of anti-intellectualism. The lust for war describes the GOP.

There are no parties that are distinctly Christian.

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I'm sure there are some Christians that are Democrats, but with their push for the gay agenda an abortion and stuff like that, I couldn't do it as a Christian.

And I'm Canadian to boot.

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I know many Republicans in Wisconsin and not one of them is racist or anti-intellectual or lusting for war.

Now, tell us what describes the Dems, since you have no political preference.

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I do not have a favorite party.

My observations about the GOP in WI are focused on lawmakers and the decisions made by the former administration, and the current decisions made by current GOP lawmakers.

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So, does the lust for war comment apply to the GOP in WI, as well?

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Lust for war characterizes both parties.

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I wasn’t going to post in this thread, but I felt to. In my opinion, we should never base our status on being a Christian, depending how we vote. There are so many variables! For instance, your local government, the Democrat could be the one that has the “goods” to make your area better. Not all Democrats are “liberals”, the liberal agenda is a different horse to talk about for another day. Republicans stand for Homosexuality as well, the whole Iraq war is based on the greed from the deep state, and Bush and Cheney were the pawns that guided the ship. Barrack Hussein Obama was a Muslim with a dividing agenda, his policies brought a lot of this “racism” to the forefront, Hilary Clinton is a complete Jezebel, and Trump is a fornicating lier, married several times, committed adultery... If you choose to vote, Ill say it like Ted Cruz said it, “vote your conscience”.

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This is a very complicated issue. I have close friends that I have much respect for, that are pretty liberal. They are liberal for the right reasons.

On the other hand, I am pretty solidly conservative. Both positions can be supported by scripture in certain instances, depending on the subject. For instance...
Capital punishment would be considered a conservative tenet by the majority of people. It is certainly supported by scripture. On the other hand, support for the poor and disadvantaged would be considered by most to be a liberal agenda. It also has much support found in scripture. So it is not the dichotomy that we like to believe it is.

For me however, the division occurs with abortion. I can’t support taking the life of “the least of these”. So I vote accordingly. But I am under no misguided belief that my vote is a perfect expression of my Christian principles. I merely attempt to do the best I can. Until I am offered a better choice.

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Generally I would like to add that it is my opinion that Democrats are moving towards socialism. I think a lot of Democrats are creatures of habit, much like most of us. They vote Democrat out of habit. Meanwhile the party has abandoned them, but they make excuses for the party and believe that it is a temporary shift.

I think conservatives do the same. We shouldn’t excuse the shortcomings of our party. Trump tells a lot of lies. I don’t like it, but the facts are pretty clear. So I vote for a liar. Because I don’t want to vote for abortion. But I don’t pretend that it is a perfect choice.

I could have the attitude that since Trump has faults, that I will not vote at all, but somehow this seems to be an even worse choice.

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Needless wars kill citizens just like abortion does. Both policies kill by the thousands.

Both parties have blood on their hands. Neither is innocent.

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Are you equating self-defense to abortion?

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Republicans people care for the poor too, they simply believe that that it is better handled by the non-profit organizations than by the gov't.

In general, Republicans donate more money to charities than Democrats.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ful...99764018804088

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Are you equating nation meddling with self defense?

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Needless wars, such as the war in Iraq, have nothing to do with self defense.

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Go drink some unfiltered water of something :lol

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Support for the poor is NOT.a "liberal" thing. Conservatives routinely give more for charitable causes than liberals. Liberal "support for the poor" is code for more taxes, welfare, and bloated bureaucracy. The liberal wants charity and alms to be a mandated goverment program rather than a personal act of charity and almsgiving.

Meanwhile, modern liberals are full blown bolshevik communists and so called conservatives are Trotskyite communists. Two wings on the same filthy bird. Bird poop is bird poop, whether it's from a pidgeon or a woodpecker. :thumbsup

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Democrats are communists, slowly coming out of the closet.

Wait till the Trotskyite republicans do the same, they aren't far behind.

Pretty much all political parties in the West are socialist, and have been since at least the early decades of the 20th century. The big three were International Socialism (communism), National Socialism (nazism, fascism), and Fabian Socialism (democracy, democratic socialism). Kind of like Eastasia, Eurasia, and Oceania...

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Trump Impeachment And The Civil War Scenario

http://www.alt-market.com/index.php/...l-war-scenario

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The war in Iraq, and everywhere else, are for the purpose of maintaining hegemony.

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Nice deflection.

Regardless of the reason for the call to war and whether or not we agree with that call, it is always self-defense for the soldier who is commanded to go.

So, do you equate abortion with self-defense?

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Obviously, a lot of this is a matter of opinion, yet there is something you brought up that I feel is worth mentioning. You mentioned “Capital Punishment” through the Old Testament it was supported, yet Jesus made mention of that in Matthew 5:38-44, the world has there laws and if they want to kill people for their deeds, that’s up to the state or the feds. Yet, within the church, were told not to commit murder, its no longer an eye for an eye, yet its love your enemies. We shouldn’t support death, we (i.e The Church) should support and preach mercy and forgiveness! The Bible says “The Meek shall inherit the earth.” That’s another reason why it baffles me to see “Christians” finding the need to Carry their weapons to church? They have more faith in that weapon then they do in the name of Jesus. Sorry about the rant, I get off on one subject and it turns into another.

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Are you Swearing?:spit

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Scott, while it is true that both policies kill by the thousands, it is also true that one policy in particular kills by the millions. They are not the same. One is killing primarily people who would likely kill you first, if given the chance, the other is killing someone who has no defense at all.

I’m not defending needless killing. But ...

Honest question:

Which policy kills more?

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Yes a lot of this is based on opinion. However some opinions are based on scripture. Some? ...

Not so much.

Read Jesus’ words below.

Luke 22

35] And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
[36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Later Jesus said this ...


John.18

[10] Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.
[11] Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?


He didn’t rebuke Peter for HAVING a sword. He explained to him that His Father had ordained that these events were to take place.

And another thing ... Killing and murder are not always the same thing.

AND ...

Don’t apologize for ranting. We are NOT ranting. We are engaging in civilized discourse.

Ranting is what everyone else is doing.:thumbsup

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I really don’t disagree with most of this. I have often said that both parties are trying to take us to the same destination. The difference is that one is going about a hundred mph, and the other is doing seventy.

the occasional exception
 

Normally you could not vote for the democrats because of their pro-killing position on abortion and their mangling a generation of children (grown-ups coming soon) with poisonous vaccinations, in the pocket of Pharma-$$$.

Their could be occasional exceptions. The Louisiana governor, John Bel Edwards, who just won against a Trumpite signed one of the best womb protection bills in the country.

"John Bel Edwards has cast himself as a conservative Democrat, who is anti-abortion and pro-guns" - Vox

Plus he is fiscally conservative, and took the state into some sort of budget surplus. Far more fiscally responsible than Trump and his minions.

Edwards even attended a White House state dinner.

And I know that Mississippi is one of the states owned by Pharma-$$$. Not sure how Louisiana is doing. Go, Parishes, Go!

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My opinion is when you get that high in the pyramid of the U.S government, your in a state of corruption. It doesn’t matter to me, if its Trump, Ted Cruz, Jim Abbott, Clinton, Biden etc. there all of the same spirit. There is a price to pay to get to that ladder. Now, with that said, I do believe Trump means well, I believe he is a business man that wanted to make millions before and there has nothing changed from that. What I thought was good on his part is, we as voters knew what we were getting in a President if we voted for him. He hasn’t changed, his very crude, frank, New York Mobster style tactics! Ive heard several Apostolic's tell me “Ted Cruz is a Christian”, that always puzzled me or anyone they say is a Christian. I would venture to say 85% of these men are Masons, plain and simple, I don’t care if you have a “R” or “D” after your name that means nothing to me. Also, just because they say they stand for Life, Biblical Marriage, Guns, God & Country, doesn’t mean a thing. All of them go into congress middle class and then end up super wealthy, look it up as far as their salary before and after there term.

I think a lot of our issues stem from that we believe this nation was founded on Jesus Christ! Be careful not to confuse morals with biblical salvation. If that was the case 80% of America was saved from the start through 1950’s. Remember this nation was started on Rebellion, the Bible says rebellion is Witchcraft. We have the issues in this country not because of Republican or Democrat but because of the prince spirit that rests over this country.

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Nicodemus, I don’t think you know what you are talking about.

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Read your history! Boston Tea Party comes to mind.... American Independence sprung forth from the hearts of men that said, “No taxation without representation.” America was built by those that rebelled their authority. Now, you can write all about how it was good for them to do that, yet it was started from rebellion!

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Nicodemus,

I think what Coksiw may be referring to is that you have used a scripture out of context. Let’s look at the scripture, in the proper context.

1 Samuel 15

[22] And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
[23] For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

The context is that Saul rebelled against GOD. It should not be interpreted to mean that ALL rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. Moses, for instance rebelled against Pharoah, but his rebellion was ordained by God. All rebellion is not equal. I think your example of the revolution of the United States against the UK is taken in the wrong context.

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Nicodemus,

The GB Kingdom was not a Theocracy. During Samuel's time, Israel was.
The English Bill of Rights 1689 forbid the imposition of taxes without the consent of Parliament. Since the colonists had no representation in Parliament, the taxes violated the guaranteed Rights of Englishmen. Hence, the "No taxation without representation". The GB was violating its own law. They were not being short tempered and rebellious, they were looking for the right treatment and justice.
Looking for justice is difference than looking for vengeance and also different than rebellion. As individuals you submit to authorities, but when you are the authority you are expected to do justice to the people under you. So if the people above you want you to do injustice, you have two options: you quit your authority, or you oppose.
The colonies were started by people that wanted religious freedom instead of persecution from the Church of England. If you consider that a Rebellion, then you need to first see their arguments in details; read about the Separatist Puritans and their actual documents and appeal to the king in a very pacific way, for example. If after reading that you still think it was Rebellion, then Peter and the apostles were in sin when they disobeyed the council in Act 5:29.
That being said, not everyone in the colonies came for the same reason.

The reality was more complex than your simplistic application of the Bible verse to what happened in America. I wouldn't raise my finger and judge them as "guilty of Rebellion". You gotta be wiser than that and fear God.

But as it always happens in human history, earthly kingdoms eventually become beasts, regardless of how beautiful and love for Biblical righteousness and justice their start was. What's going on nowadays doesn't negate what happened during the birth of this country.

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GOP loves War....really. Quite the catchall statement. You want to qualify it.