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Speaking personally, I'm just not into celebrating any holiday. I barely even acknowledge my own birthday.
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In the book History of Rome, by Michael Grant, we read this startling revelation:http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm |
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Christmas is wholly a pagan holy day in celebration of Saturn. Saturn was a Roman personification of Baal, the ancient Canaanite fertility god, who was also the god of the Sun. Mithra (known in Rome as Sol Invictus, the Invincible Sun) is the Persian version of Baal. The Winter Solstice was the time of the "birth of the Sun God", celebrated anywhere from around December 20-January 5 or thereabouts. Eventually, December 25th was settled on. The holy day was simply part of a week or so long festive season (hence the whole "twelve days of Christmas"). Christmas is an ancient holy day of the Baal religion. It is part of Sun worship, the worship of the Sun god. (Yes, that's why you go to church every single SUN day, the Dies Soli, the Day of the Sun, which was also a major holy day in ancient Canaan in honour of Baal.) "But, we practice the rites of Baal, Mithra, and Saturn in honour of Jesus! It's all about Jesus!" But what does the BIBLE say? Deuteronomy 12:30-32 KJV (30) Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. (31) Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods. (32) What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. It is expressly forbidden to worship God using pagan rites and customs! |
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Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy GodThou shalt not do SO - meaning "in that manner". What manner? Enquiring after the pagan religious customs, as to how they worshipped their demon gods. Thou shalt not do so UNTO THE LORD - you shall NOT take pagan religious customs and ADAPT THEM TO THE WORSHIP OF THE TRUE GOD. It is EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN. Repurposing pagan holy days, and ceremonies, to the worship of God, is SIN. What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.God has ordained the worship He wants us to give Him. It is in the Bible. We are not allowed to "add" or "take away" from the worship He has ordained. If you think you can take pagan religious practices and offer them to God, if you think He accepts such vain will-worship, YOU ARE MISTAKEN. It is ABOMINABLE to God. He literally HATES it. "Oh, but God hears all my prayers, even though I'm steeped in pagan traditions!" God will make sure you believe lies and are damned, if you reject the truth of His Word. |
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Where is the anti thanksgiving thread?
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Or is it a civil "holy" day established by various US administrations as a day on which to give thanks to God for His blessings? In all actuality, Thanksgiving Day has become Gluttony Day for most Americans. |
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Not to derail your thread...
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Exodus 31:13 KJV Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Holy Days and religious festivals are a sign, or token, of which god you really worship. If you are keeping the holy days of ancient pagan demons, THAT'S WHO YOU ARE WORSHIPPING. If you have been baptised into Christ, and yet you keep the holy days of satan, you are committing SPIRITUAL FORNICATION, HARLOTRY, and ADULTERY against your Saviour. The Sabbaths of God were to be FOR A SIGN "upon the hand and ... between the eyes" (forehead) of God's people. It was a mark of ownership, covenant, fealty, loyalty, and belonging. What do you think the following verses are referring to? Revelation 13:16-17 KJV (16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 14:9-11 KJV And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, (10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: (11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.The beast institutes false worship among the nations, and causes them to be marked in the hand and the forehead. John is seeing in vision a spiritual reality concerning the world and its inhabitants. Just as God has a "mark" on His people, in their foreheads and their hands, so does the beast, satan's earthly power and influence. Just as God's mark includes His Holy Sabbaths, the beast's mark includes his "holy days". Holy days, or religious festivals, repeating observances of set times, observed in commemoration of religious ideas and concepts, intended to pass on religious ideas from one generation to the next, are part of the MARK, either of God... or of satan. Which one do YOU have? |
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1 Corinthians 10:18-22 KJV (18) Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? (19) What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? (20) But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. (21) Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. (22) Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?The apostle declared that participating in religious customs puts you in fellowship with the GOD SERVED BY THOSE RITES. The heathen customs are DEMONIC. Participation in heathen religious customs puts you in fellowship with DEMONS. Christians CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. You cannot partake both of the Lord's table, and the table of demons. to put it simply, if you partake of the table of demons, you are cut off from the Lord's table. You cut off your fellowship with Christ. |
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2 Corinthians 6:14-18 KJV (14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? (15) And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? (16) And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (17) Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, (18) And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.To be received by God as His child you MUST break off connection with the rites, ceremonies, customs, and practices of demon worship. You must have the attitude that doesn't even want to TOUCH that which God abhors as unclean and filthy. You CANNOT BE SAVED while continuing to maintain fellowship with demons, darkness, and idolatry. |
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I plan on phasing out holidays (again) beginning next year. But, I have come to enjoy Thanksgiving and secular Christmas. |
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It is simple to me I don’t:
Make the sign of the cross Pray the rosary Sprinkle holy water Place ash on my forehead Have a confessional Pray to Mary Pray to saints Wear a cross Have religious statues in my house Wear a clerical collar Celebrate Xmas I am not a Catholic. |
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For example, the Quakers used to note the days of the week as "First Day", "Second Day", "Third Day", etc. because the calendar days of the week as we know them are named in honor of pagan gods. They also didn't observe holidays or birthdays. In addition, there are homiletic practices of rhetoric in most modern "sermons" that are Aristotelian in origin. And then there is the "steeple" which is found on most houses of worship, which originated among the pagans as a phallic symbol above the temples of their fertility cults. Even wedding rings are "pagan", as is birthday cake and birthday candles. I could go on and on. It's important to note that while many of these traditions (including Christmas traditions) originated from pagan peoples as part of pagan practice, a number of these things have evolved and changed through the centuries to the point that they have become far removed from any "pagan" practice. For example, wreaths... In the Greco-Roman world, wreaths were used as an adornment that could represent a person’s occupation, rank, their achievements and status. The wreath that was commonly used was the laurel wreath. The use of this wreath comes from the Greek myth involving Apollo, Zeus’ son and the god of life and light, who fell in love with the nymph Daphne. When he pursued her she fled and asked the river god Peneus to help her. Peneus turned her into a laurel tree. From that day, Apollo wore a wreath of laurel on his head. Laurel wreaths became associated with what Apollo embodied; victory, achievement and status and would later become one of the most commonly used symbols to address achievement throughout Greece and Rome. Laurel wreaths were used to crown victorious athletes at the original Olympic Games and are still worn in Italy by university students who just graduated. Harvest wreaths, a common household decoration today, are a custom with ancient roots in Europe. The creation of harvest wreaths in Europe can be traced back to ancient times, and is associated with animistic spiritual beliefs. In Ancient Greece, the harvest wreath was a sacred amulet, using wheat or other harvested plants, woven together with red and white wool thread. The harvest wreath would be hung by the door year-round. Harvest wreaths were an important symbol to the community in Ancient Greece, not merely to the farmer and his family. The festivals devoted to Dionysus, the Oschophoria and Anthesteria, included a ritual procession called the eiresîonê. A harvest wreath was carried to Pyanopsia and Thargelia by young boys, who would sing during the journey. The laurel or olive wreath would be hung at the door, and then offerings were made to Helios and the Hours. It was hoped that this ritual would bring protection against crop failure and plagues. Pre-Christian Europeans began creating winter wreaths out of evergreen, a tree whose magic was believed to be able to withstand the bitter cold of winter, and so they represented eternal life. Holly was also a mystical symbol of immortality and was added to the winter wreaths. These were believed to hold the power to hold back the sickness and death that was so common in the bitter winter months of Europe. Mistletoe was eventually added to the winter wreath because it was seen as having magical properties that would increase love and fertility among couples. As more and more Europeans became Christians, much of the symbolism behind these things were applied to Christ. It's important to remember that most ancient people didn't have a "Bible" like we do. They communicated the Gospel they heard through common cultural things. Newly converted Christians would communicate the Gospel through these things to their friends and neighbors by explaining that Jesus is the true "tree of life" who provides eternal life against the bitterly could seasons of life. The circular wreath was used to And so, the majority of Europeans who became what we know as Catholic today incorporated the wreath into devotional practice especially in relation to "Christmas" the time set aside to remember Christ's birth (I say set aside to remember Christ's birth because Christ's birthday certainly wasn't in December). After the Protestant Reformation, Protestant Christians continued adorning their homes with wreaths during the holidays. And as Christians began to spread about the world through colonization, winter Christmas wreaths made their way into the Americas. Once in America, the wreath was admired not only for its spiritual meaning, but also its beauty. Many people in America, being capitalist, began to market the wreath as merely a "decoration". After several generations of this, most people in America today, including Christians, don't know the origins or history of the winter wreath. It is hung on doors, above fireplaces, and on walls as simply a festive winter, or "Christmas season", decoration. In addition, they are now made of nearly any material one can imagine and in as many styles as one can imagine. For the most part, there is no longer any religious association to the seasonal decoration. It's only hung on account of its aesthetic beauty. |
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I do not care one way or another about Christmas. But it is a good day to see relatives that I otherwise would not. I am not sinning if I enjoy a meal with them on that day and even reflect on the incarnation, even if was not born at that time.
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2. Birthdays are questionable. Some birthday celebrations - such as lighting candles on a cake - undoubtedly originate in pagan demon worship. I don't know that the MERE celebration of the anniversary of one's birth is itself solely a pagan custom, especially when there are no rites or rituals of demon worship taking place. 3. Rhetoric, based not upon Aristotle, but upon Cicero and Quintillian and Aphthonius, has been a part of communication since classical days (pre-Christian). Rhetoric, however, is not pagan demon worship anymore than the alphabet is. Rhetorical knowledge does not originate in nor does it depend on nor does it perpetuate pagan demon worship anymore than good penmandship. (Side note: Aristotle wrote a "Rhetoric" but hardly anyone used it, they preferred his works on dialectics - logic - for the canon of Invention, but Aristotle was no rhetor. For instruction in rhetoric they preferred Cicero, Quintillian, and Aphthonius. Augustine's work "On Christian Teaching" discusses rhetoric, and he points out that classroom instruction is rhetoric is unnecessary, you just need to be familiar with Scripture, and by being familiar with Scripture you will absorb the rhetoric of the apostles, prophets, and Christ. In other words, as even Quintillian and Cicero often pointed out, rhetorical skill is often better caught than taught.) 4. The steeple is a phallic symbol representing the missing phallus of Osiris, that is its origin. It came to be excused as a means of people being able to locate the church house from a distance, now it's just an ornament. But yes it originates in pagan demon worship. Essentially an obelisk to the sun god on top of the temple dedicated to the sun god. Nothing new under the sun, apparently. 5. Wedding rings are pagan. They also have an origin in pagan superstitious beliefs. Which is why my wife and I don't wear them. 6. Birthday cake is simply a sweet bread. Sweet bread ("cakes") were used by all cultures for all sorts of things, especially any kind of celebration or feast. Candles on the cake, blowing them out, etc as part of a celebration are pagan customs of demon worship. I think a distinction ought also to be made between simply superstitious customs that have survived the centuries (like saying "Bless you" when someone sneezes which originated in the belief that a sneeze could invite demons to enter the body) on the one hand, and undoubtedly RELIGIOUS RITES and CEREMONIES and HOLY DAYS being promoted to people under the lie that there's something CHRISTIAN about them. Both ought to be examined, but the rites of demon worship are clearly a greater danger. Would it be okay for a Christian to draw the circle, open the directions with Solomon's Seal (hexagram), and invoke the Holy Guardian Angels of the Watchtowers, as a means of worshipping Jesus? Medieval occultists used the Hebrew Names of God to summon and "control" demons, as part of "demonstrating the power of Christ over the spirits". But who in their right mind would countenance such acts as being in any way, shape, or form suitable to a genuine Christian? Yet the rites of Christmas, Easter, "fall festivals" and Halloween, etc are absolutely no different. Pagan devil worship, masquerading as "Christian". |
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God Himself commands us to avoid pagan religious practices, and explicitly commands us not to attempt to appropriate pagan devil worship into the worship of God. And you are saying it's a matter of "indifference"? People say "doing it on that day is no different than doing it on any other day" yet I guarantee you don't do those same things on any other day, as a matter of regular custom. Sure, you may eat a meal and reflect on Christ on some other day, but do you do that on that other day - EVERY SINGLE YEAR? No, of course not. It's randomised. But EVERY December 25th, certain things get done... that means you are observing that day as a special day of remembrance. It is DIFFERENT and SEPARATE FROM the other days of the years. THAT means it is "sanctified" or "holy" (although not sanctified by God). It is "holy" in your practice. Just try SKIPPING that day this year - see if you don't get family asking "what's wrong, why don't you want to celebrate Christmas with us?" It's like the addict saying "I can quit any time I want." Uh, suuuuure. |
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Exodus 31:13 KJV Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Holy Days and religious festivals are a sign, or token, of which god you really worship. If you are keeping the holy days of ancient pagan demons, THAT'S WHO YOU ARE WORSHIPPING. If you have been baptised into Christ, and yet you keep the holy days of satan, you are committing SPIRITUAL FORNICATION, HARLOTRY, and ADULTERY against your Saviour. The Sabbaths of God were to be FOR A SIGN "upon the hand and ... between the eyes" (forehead) of God's people. It was a mark of ownership, covenant, fealty, loyalty, and belonging. What do you think the following verses are referring to? Revelation 13:16-17 KJV (16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 14:9-11 KJV And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, (10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: (11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.The beast institutes false worship among the nations, and causes them to be marked in the hand and the forehead. John is seeing in vision a spiritual reality concerning the world and its inhabitants. Just as God has a "mark" on His people, in their foreheads and their hands, so does the beast, satan's earthly power and influence. Just as God's mark includes His Holy Sabbaths, the beast's mark includes his "holy days". Holy days, or religious festivals, repeating observances of set times, observed in commemoration of religious ideas and concepts, intended to pass on religious ideas from one generation to the next, are part of the MARK, either of God... or of satan. Which one do YOU have? |
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1 Corinthians 10:18-22 KJV (18) Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? (19) What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? (20) But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. (21) Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. (22) Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?The apostle declared that participating in religious customs puts you in fellowship with the GOD SERVED BY THOSE RITES. The heathen customs are DEMONIC. Participation in heathen religious customs puts you in fellowship with DEMONS. Christians CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. You cannot partake both of the Lord's table, and the table of demons. to put it simply, if you partake of the table of demons, you are cut off from the Lord's table. You cut off your fellowship with Christ. Brother, I respect you too. But the Scripture says what it says. You CANNOT - C A N N O T - partake of BOTH the table of the Lord, AND the table of demons. That means it's either one... or the other. So if you pick one, you reject the other. God is a jealous God. Santa isn't. Santa doesn't care what you celebrate alongside him. But God does. |
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It can certainly be difficult to abandon long held traditions and practices. When we became convicted years ago to separate ourselves from pagan customs, it was difficult at first. Peer pressure is an incredibly powerful thing. We had to listen to relatives scold us for denying our children the fun of Halloween and Christmas. We had professing Christians scold us for not wanting to honour Jesus' birth. We were mocked and reproached. It took some time to wean our family off of these things. But by the grace of God we were freed from these pagan attachments.
We found that, over time, as we maintained consistency, others came to understand that we simply weren't going to participate in them. They quit harassing us about it. They came to respect our stand, at least when they were around us. What people say behind your back is irrelevant, you have no control over that. And I have found that people who reproach you behind your back will do so no matter WHAT you do. It is always difficult and uncomfortable to cease old habits and begin new ones. But with time and being steadfast, the new way becomes normal, and the old ways "wax old and fade away." We're all learning, and we're all at different stages in our understanding. But God is calling us all to come out from among the world and its ways, and be SEPARATE. Let's follow God, and leave the devil worship behind. Serving the devil never got us anywhere anyway. |
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I think I just heard a rooster crow three times!!
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And as for many of the cultural traditions such as Christmas trees, wreaths, presents, Santa (St. Nicholas, bishop of Myra), Christmas cards, Yule logs, etc., are all so far removed from their "pagan" origins they are merely plastic cultural decorations and lights. With the nights being longer and the cold setting in, sometimes the lights can help bring some cheer. Should we see any "spiritual" significance to these traditions? Should any of these traditions be regarded as "sacred"? No! They are merely cultural. What if someone feels like a plastic Christmas tree with lights and thin glass ornaments is of the devil? Well, since it is only cultural, it matters not if they wish to abstain from having a Christmas tree or from partaking in the festivities. P.S. Historical note. St. Nicholas was reportedly the Bishop of Myra, a city in ancient Turkey. It was a haven for Monarchians and Modalists who were influenced by Paul of Samosata. While Bishop Nicolas was reportedly present at the Nicene Council (Bishop 305), his name was later omitted from the final attendance roster at the end of the council. Some say it was because he physically struck Arius for denying that Jesus was God during the council's examination of the Arian heresy and was dismissed by the council. Others note that while Nicholas obviously believed that Jesus was God, he wasn't in agreement with the Trinitarian majority that had gained favor with the emperor and so excused himself from the proceedings. This would present the possibility that Nicholas was either a Modalist or a Monarchian himself. In Eutychius’ Arabic Origins of the Church Nicholas is listed as being of "Myrdan", which in Aramaic means, "Apostate". And so some scholars see this early Trinitarian reference to Nicholas as being, "Nicholas the Apostate", on account of what might have been his Modalistic beliefs. Many miracles were attributed to Nicholas' ministry, along with marked compassion for orphans and the poor. After Nicholas died, others continued to serve the poor by giving anonymous gifts in the name of Nicholas. Travelers to Myra were deeply moved at the compassion shown by the Christians in Myra who continued to give in secret in the name of Nicholas and sailors spread the practice to different shores, and thereby expanded the custom of giving anonymously in this Bishop's name. After many miracles and visions were attributed to Nicholas, even after his death, the church declared Nicholas a venerable Saint and established his feast day as December 6th (the day of his death). The feast was observed through anonymous gift giving in the name of Nicholas and extraordinary charity toward the poor to see them through the cold winter months that would follow. Having the feast of St. Nicholas on the 6th and the feast of Christ-Mass (Christmas) on December 25th proved problematic for pilgrims to observe, seeing the expense of extensive travel within a single month. When forced to choose, Christmas was deemed more holy and so most would only pilgrimage on Christmas, combining their the Feast of St. Nicholas observances with their Christmas observances. And so, St. Nicholas, gift giving, and charity towards the poor became integrated into Christmas. Many legends, miracles, and even blended myths eventually became associated with St. Nicholas and various local customs evolved to honor the saint. When those who observed the Feast of St. Nicholas came to the New World, their languages pronounced his name "Sinterklas" or "Sant Iklaus." This morphed into the name, "Santa Claus". Coke-a-Cola ran with this and published advertisements of St. Nicholas in his red pajamas getting up in the middle of the night to begin his visitations with a bottle of Coke-a-Cola. This image of St. Nicholas in red pajamas and his red pajama hat became immortalized in the American psyche and so the American concept of St. Nicholas became the image of him we know today. My point? The tradition of "Santa Claus" is a distinctly "Christian tradition" of anonymous giving that was eventually incorporated into what we know as Christmas today. In addition, the historical "Santa Claus" may have been an ancient champion of Oneness. http://stgeorgesardmore.files.wordpr...2/nicholas.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8BhTSZjM4T...bert-22-37.jpg http://static.skynetblogs.be/media/9...f55abc4736.gif |
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