Since the Bible is the formation of scripture into a book form, and since scripture makes us wise to salvation, while truth makes us wise to salvation, we see scripture equated with truth.

And the word of God is truth. So Scripture, or the bible, is the word of God.

And to say that men who wrote the word of God into letter form have diminished from the actual word, seeing as God's breath cannot be put on paper by ink, is moot. God promised those who seek with their hearts will have His Spirit breathe into them while they read.

Hence... the following cannot be denied.

Jesus said the Father's word was truth.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

He prayed for the apostles to be sanctified in that verse. And we must believe the truth to be saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

The Spirit sanctified the apostles and the word of truth is God's word.

After saying the word of God is truth (John 17:17) and then reading we are saved through BELIEF OF THE TRUTH (2 Thess 2:13), we realize that we must believe the word of God to be saved.

We then read the scriptures are for salvation.

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

So the scripture teaches us faith in Christ, and that saves us. So, if we are saved by belief of the truth, and the scriptures teach us salvation, then the scriptures are truth. This, in turn, means that the scriptures are the word of God.

SUMMARY:

1. God's word is truth. (John 17:17)
2. We are saved by belief of the truth. (2 Thess 2:13)
3. Scriptures teach us how to be saved. (2 Tim 3:15)
4. So Scriptures are the truth, and the word of God is truth.
5. That can only mean scriptures are the word of God.

Now, Peter for whom Jesus prayed to be sanctified by the truth (which is God's word - John 17:17) said that Paul's words are twisted by some like the OTHER SCRIPTURES, putting Paul's writings on par with scripture that saves and is God's word.

That is why Paul had the right to say His writings are the commandments of God.

1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.


And anyone who thinks they're spiritual better agree his writings are the commandments of God. Those who disagree are not spiritual, but liars.

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Amen!

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The "word of God" is what God spoke. If what he spoke is written down, then that writing is "the word of God".

Simple enough.

:thumbsup

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Wow that was an easy thread.

Thank you Brother Blume.

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There's a lot that could be said about God's revelation to us in Scripture. Of course, the fact that God, in any way, chooses to reveal himself is amazing to think about.

I would argue the fact that he has revealed himself to us in Scripture is one of the greatest attestations of his divine grace. And we need this grace, because unaided human reason can only go so far.

I agree with what you've said, I would only add that the truths you've spoken are truly astonishing, and ought to lead us to have immense thankfulness toward God.

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Powerful point! Without a standard, we;re too susceptible to so many human variables that will mess us up with truth. We need something of the Word in tangible form for that reason.

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Very well said, thank you! :thumbsup

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nice :)

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To Mike, or others who would like to respond...

Would the idea of the Logos as presented in John 1:1, that was with God, and was God, and later, was made flesh, is this the Bible, too, strictly speaking?

I mean, did God create all things that are made through (by) the Bible?

Or is there something more to the Logos/Word, something that transcends the Bible? What I mean is: God is a person, the Bible is a thing. Surely, we do not equate the two?

God is everlasting. Before any text of the Bible was penned, He existed. While only portions of the Bible were first being written, He existed. While different parts of the Bible were being argued over in the different fights for establishing the canon, God existed. After every last Bible ever made turns to ash and powder in some distant future, He will exist still.

God's "Word" forever settled in heaven is merely the Bible? Or is it the Bible, plus something else?

Can the Word of the Lord come to a person, as it did to the holy prophets of old, and be given to a person today, even if the "word" that comes to them cannot be found in any verse of the Bible?

As an example, Agabus predicted a famine/dearth, and it came to pass. Could the "Word of the Lord" come to you, let's say, and tell you that some unforeseen natural disaster was going to badly affect Canada, and it come to pass, without there actually being a single verse in the Bible about Canada?

If not, why not?

If yes, doesn't that mean that the "Word of God", while being Bible, is also something greater than the Bible?

Thanks,

Aaron

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Aaron, I believe the answer's obvious.

I said elsewhere that the Word of God is God. And one form of God is the uttered word. God is larger than any of that, in reality. But like the fruit of life on the tree of Life, the fruit can be grasped and eaten, whereas the tree itself cannot. And yet the fruit has within itself all the essence of the Tree.

But we can't take that and think there are truths for us to grasp that contradict what the written word says, or go beyond what the written word puts limits on. Some things to be known have limits on them, such as the work of the cross, and what saves and doesn't save. I believe the written word focuses on salvation. Nothing the written word does not say can be claimed to save us. But there are far more things than salvation that comprise the Logos of God.

God is infinite, so He cannot be wholly grasped as one can wholly grasp what the written Word says. But again, the written word is about salvation, and I don't believe God was concerned with revealing all He could reveal, but simply deal with getting mankind back on track and saved from sin.

We know there is more to know than the written word reveals.

Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


But in no way am I saying the bible is the limit of what logos is. The bible is speaking of salvation. As far as salvation is concerned, the bible is the limits of all of that.

God's word definitely comes to us apart from what the bible says, but never in terms of salvation. He will speak things to us that regard our individual situations, which could not be put in the written Word, or the world could not contain the books, in the same way all the record of Christ's miracles could not be contained in books the world could hold.

If you spoke a word ten years ago, and then wrote down your words today dealing with a specific issue, both your previous word and the current written word are essentially you. You express yourself through your word. What you say at one point many not be what you say today. But the words won't contradict. Well.... we're human so they could. But not so with God. God's Word was in the beginning and was Himself. But what He caused to be written for us in the bible is as much His word as that which was from the beginning. But neither expressions are all that He is able to express. However, when it comes to salvation He had all of it written.

But the bible is the word of God because God authored it.

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Bro. Blume, that was excellent, as always. It is quite simple to understand that the words of God were penned and written down for the purpose of salvation.

I too have wondered why the Bible stopped being written after the early church age. Does not God still speak today?

But just like Bro. Blume said, the NT was written by those who had seen or known Christ, and the writings were written down in their purest form to lead us to Christ, for salvation. That does not mean that God does not still speak to us, but during the time of the manifestation of Christ, which was meant for our salvation, those are the only words we need.

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This does not mean that we cannot continue to be taught or led by the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


In these two verses, it is quite apparent that the Spirit of the Lord will continue to teach and lead those who are listening, and while it may not be with words found in scripture, yet (this is VERY important) the LEADING OF THE SPIRIT WILL NEVER CONTRADICT THE WORD.

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Amen, the writer of Hebrews, likely Paul, said that he had many more things to write to them, but they were dull of hearing, so he couldn't. God has spoke to me intimate details of people's lives and it was purely supernatural to know them. Not generalities. Word of Knowledge. He speaks many things aside from Scripture, but scripture is for salvation and there is nothing outside the written word that can add to what it says about salvation.

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The logos exists in various forms. A spoken message of a prophet, a dream or vision of a seer, the history of Israel, Christ - his life, actions, teachings, death, resurrection, etc.

As well as the Bible.

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Amen!! A thousand thumbs up!

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If the bible is the word of God then what are you?

A believer.

Next.

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Don't sell yourself short. Even the devils believe.

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what are you saying Frogy? that we are all a manifestation of the word?

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:popcorn2

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I was going for gods.

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if the Bible is the Word, then what is wrong with this verse?

IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE BIBLE, AND THE BIBLE WAS WITH GOD, AND THE BIBLE WAS GOD.


AND oops ps, it isn't ever, not ever, going to go away, just because you choose to keep ignoring it, ok?

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YOU are like the rooster crowing every day, all day long, like he's got something to share, and when the hens rush over, they find he's been deceitful, and just up to his same old games. I have two roosters in my yard, and believe me, your behavior is just like theirs.

You have nothing new to say. We have discussed it, debunked it, with WORD of course, but that doesn't satisfy you. Bro. Blume has provided your "witnesses" and you ignore them.

You don't have anything new to say. It's just all a bunch of deceitful crow.

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The Bible is a book of BOOKS compiled by many authors, documentation of the words of Jesus through the years.

In the beginning was the Word, the word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word was Jesus. And the words of Jesus are recorded in the Bible, the book of books.

And so yes, I am just a believer, who believes that the Words of Jesus are words written by holy men of old, compiled over 6000 years, which agree in principle and pattern, and have stood the test of time in one place, the book of Books, otherwise known as the Bible.

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Careful, the devils are just believers too. Are you not more than they?

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yet again, you say you have dealt with it, with the Word, but see that you have completely ignored the question, once again, and merely once again gave me your opinion about my spiritual state, which i have already essentially agreed--in many places, now, at this point--is correct.

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You skipped over this?

Can't you see how it is? You just refuse all the explanations that have given, and prance around continuing to ask the question, because it hasn't been answered in the way you like. That's all.

You know what she means.

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Do you know what I mean?

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those are not explanations, however, they are evasions, that refuse to deal with my question, once again, which you obviously cannot Scripturally deal with and still maintain your pretense. And the wiggle is evident right here, being as how you want to evidence prancing around, apostate-style;

wherein we witness the apostasy of converting Word--which is Pneuma, Breath, herenow, that comes to anyone so inclined, hearing-wise, and not, as you imagine, reserved for Special, Apostatic Snowflakes--into written words, so that Nests into Mansions, and Pneuma into Rapture, etc, are lended imprimatur, from your father, the devil, of course. and btw, you lying w h o r e, Christ is the Word, not past tense, iow, as your father, satan, desires. oops.

no, you are just a scheming liar, and have a nice smile, and appear as an angel of light, of course, until you are confronted with Truth, which you cannot define, and cannot confront, and cannot stand, and will not abide, becasue you truly, in all your dead, Nehushtan worship, and your making the Book into your god, have nothing else to say, and should have been 86ed long ago, along with your dead friend.


now what, slut.

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of course not, they have not the first clue, and have absolutely no desire to get the first clue, and satan is not, ever, going to flee by being asked nicely. satan needs a stronghold @ any place called "Apostolic Friends," and this is simply what we are witnessing.

wadr to all, and my apologies, as this is not my place, to have to be put in the position to have to do this, and shame, shame, shame, on those whose domain this is, imo.

these do not represent the OP that i learned under, full of wonderful, caring, humble people, who would never suggest that anyone they have never met might be "lost," as the whores who run rampant here delight in doing daily.

And who, of course, breeze through here briefly, until they get a load of the Apostasy rampant here, and then do the sensible thing, which is to never come back.

If you want a forum that represents the OP you know and love, i suggest you clean house, and when someone demonstrates such an obvious lack of Witnesses, and then still proceeds to act out like a spoiled little brat, you exercise your options a bit more conscientiously.


wadr. good evening to all.

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I'll pray for you Shazeep.

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Past his bedtime I think ;)

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I don't think sleep is going to help the issues evident.

Come on. Someone says they're a believer and you think the person ought to be careful saying that because the devil also believes.

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Hello, Satan.

Bug off.

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He knows the rules of the forum. His intent is obvious.

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Shaz is seemingly worse than usual. He must have forgot to take his meds.

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Yes. They are selling themselves short. They are a believer. But so what. they are so much more than that. This is proven because the Devils are believers too.

One ought to be careful declaring themselves less than God declares them.

Are you only just a believer too?