Sermon on The Mount: instructional or Informative?
 

Jesus' Sermons on The Mount and Plain give concisely principled instructions for His Followers. Yet, the context of His remarks when spoken was to an audience of what most likely were exclusively Jews, although the Text does not directly say so. But, indicators in the Text do show only Jews were present. They all were served food by the Disciples, which would have not been done with Gentiles. The remarks of Jesus were all related to the Mosaic Law, of which Gentiles would have had no knowledge or interest.

So, what exactly does Jesus' Sermon on the Mount/Plain have to do with us today? If it is relevant, tell us how you follow all of Jesus' Commands in it. If you think it is only informational for the purposes of helping us to have a spiritual perspective, then tell us how you justify not following Jesus' Commands within it.

Either way, it cannot be ignored. God put it in Scripture for a clear and important purpose. If you claim to "know God" as a Follower, or even as an Apostle, you should have a clear and authoritative answer here to this very simple question.

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well, entire books are written on the question, so...

what exactly are you looking for? i doubt anyone here is going to say that following Christ's Word is optional, and telling you how i follow all of Jesus' commands in it would take pages, possibly.

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It is applicable to all believers in Jesus.

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Are you really able to speak for "anyone here?" It is not exactly wise to speculate on what "anyone" would be thinking, and then use that speculation as a basis for assessing the value and utility of Christ's recorded words. Lol.

Rather than trying to read in between the lines, it is best to read the lines themselves. The lines here say, "Is Christ's Sermon on the Mount of Instructional or Informational Purpose in His Church Today?" Do you see how these English comprehension skills can work for us? Or, is the Sermon on The Mount to be merely take note of, and then further chatty attention is to be placed on the simplistic and Unchristlike personal comments of Saul?

Maybe The Sermon on the Mount is too hot to handle for Milque Toast Pewsitters and Pundit Church Talkers. Even too hot for Professional Pulpit Babblers.

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Tell us how it applies to yourself. Let your light shine according to Jesus' Command in Matthew 5:16.

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Before you go off on people, might it not serve you well and please the Lord, to boot, to wonder if, and so ask first, if English might not be a poster's first language?

You went right to casual dismissal, condescending disdain, and judgmental scorn all in one shot. shazeep is not a native English speaker, by his own admission.

And you just brought out the pontificating beatstick to show your supposed superiority.

Is there no conviction these days to be "kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another..." (Ephesians 4:32)?

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:lol thanks, but i just told EB that i was ESL because he was...posting in like fashion to this. I think it is astute enough to speculate that pretty much everyone on an OP forum considers the Beattitudes to be Holy Writ, and so i was just genuinely curious, JoReba, what kind of answer you sought. I suspected you might be Bert, a troll who is often banned from here, although i doubt that now.

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I believe it is the manifesto for the Kingdom of God in the entire New Testament, Jews and Gentiles in one body. I disagree it was for Jews and not gentiles.

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i think we even have Scripture saying that it was the other way around! Jews--who rejected it--first, leading to the times of the gentiles, or Church Age. Ok so i agree that it was meant for Jews, but it is gentiles who partake.

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I see the church period as Jews and Gentiles in one body, despite the fact most Jews rejected it at first. The church was only comprised of Jews for the first 3 years after the cross. And there were thousands and thousands of them. The times of the Gentiles is not the church period, but rather the time Gentiles took to tread down Jerusalem later in the first century. 42 months according to Rev 11. But the church is Jew and gentile in one body, certainly not a gentile church.

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The words of Jesus are applicable to us today, of course. And I don't believe they conflicted with the Apostle Paul's writings either. Sounds like you might have an ax to grind here, I don't know.

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Lol. A hypersensitive heart and lack of English comprehension does not validate Godless ideologies. Rather than complain about how you feel about my remarks to "shazeep," speak like Jesus and focus upon the issues at hand in this topic.

Remember, Jesus loves "shazeep," Far more than 6ourself, and Jesus will protect "shazeep's" tender feelings with THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Of course, maybe "shazeep" is more of a man than you can perceive within your habit of condescension as a Christian to foreigners, and is able to take care of himself here in Christian Ameddika. No?

It is a characteristic of women to intrude in other peoples' conversations when something "does not seem nice." Are you doing that here?

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Yes, I agree you do not know.

Are you avoiding the original question, here? Got Godly Wisdom, or not? Is Jesus' Sermon on The Mount/Plain Instructional or Informative Today?"

If it is applicable to you as you admitted, do you follow any of His Commands in The Sermon? Try not to get distracted by your feelings about how my posts "seem to be." Lol. Be a Strong Man of God by Speaking His Word.

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If it was for Gentiles, tell us which if Jesus' Commands in The Sermon you literally follow. Becsuse, of you do not literally follow them, then The Sermon is not for you.

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Obviously you do have an ax to grind... coming on here with heavy condemnation as if you are the one who has the ability to judge to whether any of us are obeying the commandments of Jesus or not.

Personally, yes I think we do need to talk about following the commandments of Jesus... however, please do not set yourself up as the one righteous judge who is to determine whether we are obeying correctly ... or not.

Let's have a discussion, and talk about the issues you feel may need to be addressed, without immediately casting stones of condemnation before the discussion ever gets off the ground.

God bless.

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Tell me how I have either judged or condemned anyone in here regarding Jesus' Commands in His Sermon. If you cannot tell me how I have judged or condemned anyone in this regard, then your remarks above are false, and you are only chatting about "how I seem to be." Remember, Jesus as your Lord never talked about "how things seem to be," but rather He stuck to the facts. Are you able to follow Him and stick to the facts?

Maybe ... ?

If I have judged or condemned anyone in here, you and they as Believers are obligated to forgive me, otherwise, according to Jesus in His Sermon, God will not forgive you your sins. Understand? Read Matthew 6:14-15. Your eternal Salvation depends on you complying with those two verses.

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You above remark is a good indication and answer to your question.


So you think that this scripture (Matt. 6:14-15) gives you, a believer, license to commit acts that will then need forgiveness over and over and over?

Hmm.

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I suspected it too... and his yes/no questions on another thread seem to be very similar to the same poster we are quite familiar with....

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Are you exempt from confining your remarks to the topic of the thread according to Forum Rules, and permitted by your Righteousness Before God to gossip about posters?

Lol.

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Step up like a Man of God, and tell us what I have done or said in here requiring forgiveness.

"Hmmm ... ?" Lol. You will not be able to do that, since I have not sinned in here.

Remember, Jesus Commanded you to "Rejoice Greatly!" when persecuted for your faith, regardless of whether or not your faith is authentic or correct.

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LOL, huh... you would rather laugh about the issue, than acknowledge that you are indeed the person behind the many different screen names on here over the last few years that ended up being banned.

If you behave yourself, and keep the discussion civil, you might last a bit longer. Just sayin...

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Take care Bert.... or whoever you really are.

You started a good discussion, and I agree that we need to obey the commands of Jesus... but Jesus remains the righteous judge, not you or anyone else... and while we can discuss the issues, and how better to be obedient, I am not looking for you to condone or praise me for my efforts in the kingdom of God.

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Yes, I agree you are "just saying."

Matthew 36:12, "[Jesus stated] Verily, Verily, I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement."

Lol. Let us praise God for His Marvelous Word! Amen! And Amen!

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I agree Amen and Amen! :thumbsup

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Do you obey Jesus' Commands in His Sermon?

Remember, He commanded you in Matthew 5:16, "Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and praise your Father which is in heaven." Why pass up an opportunity to obey Jesus and to generate praise for the Father? Are you afraid to ... share? Timid? If you get criticized or judged, Jesus has then instructed you to be "exceedingly glad" for being persecuted. And, Jesus told you to "Fear Not."

It is a win-win situation if you just man up and obey Jesus. Lol.

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Why don't you lead by example? Tell us how YOU have obeyed this scripture.

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Because I have not stated:

1.) I follow Jesus' Commands.
2.) I am like Jesus by being born again.
3.) Jesus' Sermon is valid today.
4.) It is my position in here to lead anyone.
5.) It is a good idea to form a Godly Doctrine upon the singular occurrences within Scripture of Jesus' Commands in His Sermon. Correct hermeneutic principles do not allow that.

Do you not follow Jesus' Commands in His Sermon? Why are you afraid to say? Is He not your Lord?

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If you agree with God's Word, do you then follow Jesus' Commands in His Sermon?

Or, are you once again "just sayin'?"

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um, all of them? You seem to have some ax to grind here, but i don't know :lol

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now I'm back to thinking you are Bert. Look, i think we all grasp that the churches are not perfected yet, and it is easy to post something meaning to speak generally, that comes across as more personal. I am bad about it myself. So if you have a point, other than general satanic judgement and condemnation--which after all we can all get next Sunday--could you maybe spit it out? Ty

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Here in Ameddika, many Christian Men like to speak and think like their wimmin. They like to say things as, "I don't know," and "Just saying." And, they like to use the word "seem," which Jesus did not use.

Do you want to keep talking like that?

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The point is before you in the opening post. Is Jesus' Sermon on The Mount/Plain Instructional Today or Merely Informative?

Lol. It is too bad for you such a simple question has confounded your Spirit filled heart.

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:lol ya, I'm a mess. Have a nice day.

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Would you like me to minister to you, and share why you are a mess? Or, will you feel threatened I'd I do that?

Remember, Jesus loves you far more than any lukewarm guys who just want to help you feel comfortable. How can we know this? We can know this because Jesus never displayed any concern about anyone's personal comfort. Not one time. Yet, most Christian guys like to say comfortable sounding milque toast rhetoric to people like yourself.

Lol.