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Is there anyone who can explain to me why tongues is so harped on when Paul said if there is no interpretation then we should be quiet. So, why is that the Holy Ghost is equated with speaking in tongues. Is it based on what happened on the day of Pentecost?

If so, why don't we harp on the other things that accompanied the tongues on that day? Wasn't it more of a sign to the unbeliever that God was working with the 152 souls, so that the educated men could marvel at what was happening, and know that there was no way that these uneducated people could speak in tongues so then God must be with them?

Why do we equate the Holy Ghost with tongues, but yet have no interpretation as Paul said we should? How are we to be edified when someone is speaking in tongues, if we don't know what is being said?

Doesn't the Word say, (paraphrased) None of this means anything if I don't have love? Or are we once again misinterpreting? I've read that you already Have the Holy Ghost just by believing in Christ. Not that the Holy Ghost is evidenced by speaking in tongues. It was one time because of what I mentioned before about the unbelievers but so was a lot of other stuff that came with the tongues on that day, but yet for some reason, we do not require clothing tongues of fire, or a mighty rushing wind to accompany the supposed tongues, or going to Jerusalem the way they did.

I really could use some help with this?

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I am one of those, that see no diffrence in the tongues at Pentecost and those at Corithians..some say between Acts and Corithians they are 3 or 4 diffrents types of tongues..

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When Paul said if there was not an interpretation you should be quiet, what he meant was that you where to pray quietly without disrupting the service. Two or three hundred can pray in tongues and not disrupt the service. One person can raise their voice and disrupt the service and this edifies no one.

On Pentecost they received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. This is different than what Paul was talking about. Paul was talking about the gifts of the spirit. You do not receive these gifts until you are baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Some people believe you get the indwelling of the Holy Ghost when you first believe. I wondered the same thing myself years ago. I prayed for a scripture that would explain it to me.
This is the one I was given.

John 7
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

When did the disciples drink? On the day of Pentecost. If you are a believer you should receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

John the Baptist said this.
Mark 1:8
8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
The only way to be baptized with the Holy Ghost is to speak in tongues. When this happens Jesus has given you his baptism. Who would not want that?

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Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

6 ¶ Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 ¶ Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

16 Else, when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19 yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

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Acts 2
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

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ACTS 19
And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.

First they spoke with tongues because they Received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost then they used one of the Gifts of the Spirit, "Prophecy" afterwards.

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I am going to show a similarity between Acts and Corithians..check it out...

Acts:
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.

Corithians:

Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church

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So...what is the conclusion...

Paul said I'd rather ye prophesy, but yet, tongues is what we pick out and choose to be the edification of the church and the individual.

And, no tongue is unknown... When one is speaking in tongues, it is a real language, that can be interpreted, yet there is no interpretation for the edification of the church. Paul said, if there is no interpretation to be quiet, so it wasn't just about the disruption of church, because it seems to me, that's its ok to be disruptive if the tongues are accompanied by interpretation.

Why do we feel, it's is some spiritual language, it is not...that's why the educated unbelievers, could say what was being said on the day of Pentecost, because each of them was speaking a language from the unbelievers countries or the educated people had studied. We treat it like it's some unknown something that nobody knows because it comes from God, not so... it is Hebrew, it is French, it is greek, it is Portuguese, it is Spanish, and therefore should be interpreted for education. If you are speaking it in church, then God wants the church to be edified by what you are saying...how else can we Amen you and know what you are saying to praise the Lord.

IF you're alone, then there is no reason for the church to edified.

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It's my understanding that there are several ways in which tongues are manifest.

-Initial infilling of the Holy Ghost
-Xenoglossia
-Spiritual prayer
-Public address (requires interpretation)

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See the Acts accounts of those unbelievers understanding there own language, is linked to Corithians also..

Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 ¶ Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.


see those in the upperroom were praying and when they spoke in Tongues the onlookers understood just like in Coritieans

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1) it is believed the tongues experienced in Acts is not synonymous with the gift of tongues but is a distinct experience. The reasoning for that is in Acts nobody ever interpreted the tongues AND it was always associated with receiving the Spirit for the first time

2) Paul was not actually teaching to keep silent if there is no interpretation but that after 2 or 3 times a tongue went forth and there was no interpretation then they should not continue to give the "message in tongues"

3) Paul was not actually saying to NOT speak in tongues in that case BUT to speak in tongues to yourself (do it quietly)

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uh....no. Those unbelievers were not interpreting tongues. They did not have the Spirit so they did not have that gift. The speakers in tongues were speaking in The language of those unbelievers.

Those in the upper room were not praying for an interpretation so the church can be edified. It just does not say that. An Interpretation is not a tongue. Its an interpretation. Those unbelievers heard the TONGUES in their own language. That was what amazed them.

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Well Prax per your quote below this really does not matter anyway seeing how this does not happen anyway in the Church now days.. I have never heard tongues of the unbievers anyway, unless you count english as tongues...

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Who said anything about unbelievers speaking in tongues?

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That was a typo anyway ment to say I never heard tongues that the unbeliever in Church could understand or anyone else for that matter, like on the day of Pentecost

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I have heard of it but its rare. As far as we know it only happened in the book of acts once

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I've heard this argument for years. The baptism of the Holy Ghost (with the evidence of speaking in other tongues) is available to "whosoever will".

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. I Corinthians 14:22. The baptism of the Spirit ought not be confused with a gift of tongues that is used in a congregational setting (remember; a "sign" to the unbeliever). The believers of Paul's day obviously believed in "tongues" as a valid N.T. experience. We can swap proof texts all day re: prophecy vs tongues. Jesus said the Spirit would testify of HIM. The Spirit of prophecy is the testimony of JESUS. If either function is not exalting the Lord Jesus then it is misplaced. It remains a valid N.T. experience.

If someone doesn't want to believe that when believers are immersed in the Holy Spirit they will speak in tongues, more power to them. They are only robbing themselves of what they can receive from the LORD. There is no text available to "prove" otherwise.

A family member once told me that speaking in tongues is the least of "all gifts". (The noun "gifts" is not to be confused with the "baptism", which though a gift as well, is a first-time experience.)
I have to ask, who wouldn't want the least that God wants for them?