List of grace giving churches.
 

Know of any no-forced tithing churches list them here. Please include city, state and website if listed. Thank you.


ALABAMA; Mobile, St Stephens AME, Dr Harrison Wilson
ALABAMA: VINELAND PARK REFORMED BAPTIST, HUEYTOWN

ARIZ, MESA; NEW COVENANT BIBLE FELLOWSHIP
ARIZ, PHOENIX: ABIDING IN CHRIST BAPTIST FELLOWSHIP
ARIZ, Tiempe, NEW COV BIBLE FELLOWSHIP
CALIF, PALO ALTO, PENINSULA BIBLE CHURCH
CALIF, SUN CITY, GRACE COMMUNITY CHURCH
COLO, ARVADA, GRACE CHURCH
COLO, LITTLETON, FOOTHILLS BIBLE CHURCH
FLA, HERNANDO, RIVERSIDE CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP
GEORGIA, ACWORTH, IRON HILL BAPTIST
GEORGIA, SHARPSBURG; FAITH BIBLE CHURCH
GEORGIA; Gainesville, Feed My Sheep Church
GEORGIA, TUCKER, Faith Christian Church
GEORGIA, WOODSTOCK, Prayer and Praise
INDIANA, AVON; GRACE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH
IND, INDIANAPOLIS; SOLID WORD BIBLE CHURCH

KANSAS, LYONS, FIRST BAPTIST 11-2010
MICH, Detroit; Kingdom Living Ministries 13509 Gratiot

MINN, ST PAUL; WOODLAND HILLS CHURCH
MINN-ST PAUL, TWIN CITIES FELLOWSHIP

MISSOURI, EMMA; Lutheran, Rev Snyder
MISSOURI, St Louis, Victory Way Missionary Baptist
N. CAROLINA; APEX, TRIANGLE COMMUNITY CHURCH

N. CAROLINA; CROSSROADS BIBLE FELLOWSHIP
N. CAROLINA, WILMINGTON, SURFSIDE FELLOWSHIP
OHIO, CHESAPEAKE; UNION MISSIONARY BAPTIST
OHIO, E CLEVELAND, NEW BIRTH CHURCH
OHIO, DAYTON; GRACE CHRISTIAN CENTER
OKLAHOMA, ENID: EMMANUEL BAPTIST SBC
OKLAHOMA, TULSA: Prayer Centre, Dave Roberson
TENNESSEE, CLARKESVILLE, Baptist J D Hawk Bolten II
TEXAS, ARLINGTON, Paradise Primitive Baptist Church
Texas, Austin, Austin Bible Church
TEXAS. HOUSTON, Mills Road Baptist, Dave Goodgame
TEXAS, NOCOMA, First Baptist, Dave Woodbury
VIRGINIA: Sandston; Tabernacle of Truth, H Pollard Jr

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Rudy,

Whats with this? "Grace" giving churches? Only God can give grace not men.

This Church that you are promoting because they are not "tithers" is offering no grace at all.

Read their statement of faith. They are railing hard that Jesus is just A MAN. That Jesus was NEVER THE GOD OF HEAVEN.

They teach that anyone who believes Jesus is God is lost. I don't call that grace at all. I see it opposite. If we DONT believe Jesus is God THEN yes we will be lost.

Then the same group attempts to teach the pre trib rapture. That's enough error for me. I would never persuade people to go to a Church like that.

Then in your other lists of "grace giving" Churches most of them seem to be Baptists. Are you kidding me? Baptists are grace giving Churches you would want someone to attend?

So is the doctrine of tithing or not tithing THE MOST IMPORTANT TRUTH THERE IS?

It is more important than ANYTHING ELSE?

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Relax, It's about assemblies that function from freewill giving. Not endorsing any of them. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Maybe i should have worded it differently.

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WHOA!!!!

I wonder how they come to their conclusion-- then again, I don't want to know.

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Those people are Pentecostal, believe in Acts 2:38... yet utterly reject any notion that Jesus is God.

How is this possible?

How can people have the Holy Ghost and not recognise who He is????

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I didn't believe Jesus was God... Until I starting going to a Pentecostal Church.

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Grace giving is another phrase used to mean FREEWILL GIVING. The listings are to show that forced tithing of money are not necessary to sustain buildings called churches.

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You still on your crusade against tithing?
Not very successful, I can see from the list of churches you give.

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Not against tithing.

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I guess my church is a FREEWILL GIVING church because its not forced. In fact we preach FREEWILL is what God has gave us. Now if they want to go heaven God demands tithing.....

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Where does God demand tithing money to go to heaven?

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Give 1, one, uno, single verse in the NT where Jesus, Paul or anyone else tells a NT church or saint that they owe God 10% or else they will go to hell. Heck, give a verse in the true NT era (post gospels) that even talks about tithing in the present tense.

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What is the point of posting a list of places that are not Apostolic by ANY measure in this board over "tithing." Really? smh

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Tithing money is for the continuation of the labor of God.

The people in the book of acts even sold their houses to give all the money to the Apostles, I am sure selling a home is way more than the tithe.

The Apostles even collected money from some churches to give to other poor churches.

Show me where you spend your money and I will show you what is your God.

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Jesus said clearly, where your treasure is, there is your heart.
If your treasure is in this world, this is where your heart is.

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No Apostolic church would commit financial suicide in order to support a strange new doctrine.

The tithe was established from before the law, during the law and even after the law.

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That very true, but it is also a non sequitur. That is very true morally, but has no bearing on the validity of the tithing doctrine. No one has or would argue that one should not give to the church and give to those in need. The issue as always is whether such giving should be tied to the tithe.

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I see no text in your post where God demands a tithe of money.

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Grace giving is another phrase used to mean FREEWILL GIVING. The listings are to show that forced tithing of money are not necessary to sustain buildings called churches.

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Catholics don't force tithing. They are the richest religion in the world.

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Text to establish tithing money please?

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King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Voluntary/free will giving. I see no tithe of money in your post.

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First of all there is no such thing as force tithing, anyone who doesn't want to be a Christian is free to walk out the door, there are no guards at the door.
The catholic is the richest because of all their past tricks and the chicanery that they do. They fleece their flocks in other ways.

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There is no need to rewrite Malachi in the New Testament.

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Malachi chapter 1 establishes about as clearly as possible that the letter(Malachi) was a rebuke of the Levites, not the everyday jew. There are NO MORE Levites today. The levitical priesthood was done away with. Its right there in Hebrews. So using a rebuke letter to a defunct priesthood to command financial support from the church today is just pathetic hermeneutics.

If tithing were important Paul, Peter, James or some NT Apostle would have at least passively dealt with the issue. Instead we have silence throughout the NT except a mention in Hebrews...which is only talking about the PAST.

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Michael and I have gone round and round on things like this. He doesn't see things categorically. Thus, he doesn't see that you're pointing out functional churches that operate under grace giving... he sees that they have grace giving, their Christology, their position on the rapture, etc.

Then asks you if grace giving is the most important doctrine of all. I think we can agree that it isn't... but it is the subject of the thread. lol

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I see some issues here. The first is fear. Yes, fear. The assumption is that without tithing a church is committing suicide. That couldn't be farther from the truth. Why? It's simple. Nearly every charitable organization in America functions in accordance to fee will donations and pledges. And they are not "committing suicide". In fact, most have far more revenue for their ministry than most churches. However, I've seen churches that demand tithing slow to a virtual crawl with relation to the number attending. You'll notice that they develop the faithful core... and then the rest come and go. The core keeps the church afloat and the transient saints attend and leave throughout the year. Their retention rates are typically abysmal if charted after a year of a major "revival". Yet a "grace giving" church allows people to attend freely, and remain in good standing, as they give what they can. This is important... people don't feel dangled over hell for 10% of their income and they rejoice in God's grace and give freely to the work. On average they may not give as much each offering as a tither would individually... yet the number attending normally presents a greater harvest. For example... would you rather have 10 dedicated tithers in one service bringing in around $2000... or 1000 dedicated givers giving about $10 each for a total of $10,000? As numbers grow so does the harvest... exponentially. Not only that, but churches that believe in "grace giving" also have "covenant partners" who pledge to give a certain amount or percentage for a year. This helps with budget projections. This pledge is treated like a vow before God... and to break the vow is indeed considered a grave sin that will bring a curse. Also tithe demanding churches don't distribute the tithe among the parties that the tithe was biblically supposed to support. Therefore, unlike the OT tithe and modern tithe is a woeful burden upon many who are on the edge of poverty. In a grace giving church even the poorest member can contribute what they reasonably can and remain in good standing... and even be used in ministry. Thus grace giving relieves the burden of the poor.

Grace giving is far more than just happy go lucky "free will offerings". There is a philosophy and an approach to it.

In fact, those who believe in tithing demonstrate their lack of faith that God will provide if they don't dangle people over hell to extort money from them. Grace giving churches exercise faith and watch as God miraculously moves on individual hearts to meet needs as they arise. It takes faith to build a ministry or a church on grace giving. It only takes a fist to bang on a pulpit to demand the tithe for fear that the church would be "committing suicide" without it.

Prior to the law the tithe was a customary voluntary tribute that established a covenant relationship. It was most often a one time contribution unless one sought a continued covenant relationship with a local leader. However, it was entirely voluntary and no one went to Hell because they didn't tithe. Thus... the OT tithe is much closer to grace giving in it's philosophy. Please note... most "covenant partners" in grace giving churches vow... a tithe. And it's voluntary as it was in the OT. This being said... grace giving cannot be called some strange new doctrine. In fact, the first generation of Christians lived while the temple was standing and many continued their connection to the Jewish community. They would "tithe" to the temple as the law demanded (as Jews) and give freely to their Christian brothers and sisters as needs arose. However, after the expulsion of Christians from the Jewish communities Christians ceased to tithe and gave heartily and freely to their Christian communities.

Now, a special note is in order. The laws governing the tithe I the OT was strictly in relation to harvest and live stock. However, if one lived too far away to bring their harvest and livestock to the temple... they could sell it and bring the money to the temple. Once one arrived at the temple, those who brought harvest and livestock (and those who brought money) had to exchange their harvest and livestock (or unclean money) for a ceremonial kind of money that was only valuable to use in the temple offerings. Thus the Jewish temple system racked in quite a profit in grain, livestock, and money. When the Christians were excluded from temple services and began to spread throughout the empire this process was abandoned along with attending the temple. Christians were also typically of the poorer classes; slaves and servants. Not a lot of "money" to give. And since Christians didn't have "church buildings" for nearly 300 years we know that there were no "banks" or special locations to store vast amounts of revenue, grain, or livestock. The truth is... they gave heartily and shared their lives to meet every need that arose as it arose.

Grace giving. Praise God.

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The word tithe means 'ten percent', a 'tenth'. Abraham gave a tenth of war booty to the priest. It was not 10 percent of his paycheck, it was not cash, and it was a one time event, it was not commanded, it was freewill.

Israel payed tithes (more than one, apparently), but that cannot be done now even if you wanted to because 1)there are no more Levites, 2)there is no Temple in Jerusalem, and if there was a Temple then 3)God has abandoned the use of special buildings like temples.

Besides, the OT tithe was not in cash or money, was not 10 percent of your wages or income,, was eaten by the one paying the tithe (along with the Levite, the orphans, the strangers), and was not paid every week or every month.

Finally, if the 'tithe-teachers' were correct, then Jewish Christians in the NT had to pay 20 percent - 10 percent to the Levites in Jerusalem and 10 percent to their local elders.

Pure nonsense.

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"strange new doctrine"

LIST OF TITHING OPPONENTS IN HISTORY




Clement of Rome 100
Didache 100 (also see my site and book)
Justin Martyr 165
Tertullian 230
Origen 255
Cyprian 258 (my site)
Waldenses 1150+-
Thomas Aquinas 1275
John Wycliff 1384
John Huss 1415
German Peasants 1520
Anabaptists 1525
Erasmus 1536
Otto Brumfels 1534
Martin Luther 1546
Philip Melanchthon 1560
Separatists Amsterdam 1603
John Smythe 1609 Baptist
John Robinson 1610
English Parliament 1650+-
Puritans & Plgrims Mass 1650+-
John Cotton 1652 Puritan
Roger Williams 1636 Baptist
Little Parliament 1653
Oliver Cromwell 1658
John Milton 1658 Puritan
Particular Baptists 1660
John Owen 1680 Baptist
Francis Turretin 1687
John Bunyan 1688 Baptist
Quakers 1768
John Gill 1771 Baptist
John Wesley 1791 (my site)
BAPTISTS IN AMERICA 1800s
Adam Clarke 1832 Baptist
Charles Buck 1833
J C Philpot 1835 Baptist
Charles H Spurgeon 1832 Baptist
Parsons Cooke 1850
Samuel Harris 1850
Edward A Lawrence 1850
John Peter Lange 1876
Henry William Clark 1891 Engllish
S H Kellogg 1891
G Campbell Morgan 1898 Congregational
Albert Vail 1913 Baptist
Frank Fox 1913
David MaConaughy 11918 Episcopal
William Pettingill 1932
John Harvey Grime 1934 Baptist
John T Mueller 1934 Lutheran
H E Dana 1937 Bapt Historian (my site)
R C H LENSKI 1946 Lutheran
Lewis Sperry Chafer 1948 DTS Foundeer
W E Vine 1949
James F Rand 1953
Francis Pieper 1953 Lutheran
Ray Stedman 1951
L L McR 1955 Catholic
Paul Leonard Stagg 1958 Baptist
Hiley H Ward 1958 Baptist
Roy T Cowles 1958
Elizabeth P Tilton 1958
R C Rein 1958 Lutheran
Robert A Baker 1959 Bapt Historian
Wick Bromall 1960
John Byron Evans 1960
Norman Tenpas 1967
James Edward Anderson 1967
Alfred Martin 1968
CHARLES C RYRIE 1969 DTS
Jerry Horner 1972 S Baptist
Pieter Verhoef 1974
Dennis Wretlind 1975
Jack J Peterson 1978 Pres
Donald Kraybill 1978
Jon Zens 1979 Baptist
Richard Cunningham 1979 S Bapt
Gary Frieson 1980
JOHN MACARTHUR 1982-2000
Paul Fink 1982
George Monroe Castillo 1982
Tony Badillo 1984
James M Boice 1986
Michael E Oliver 1986 Rest
W Clyde Tilley 1987
Scott Collier 1987
Ronald M Campbell 1987
R E O White 1988
William McDonald 1989
Charles Swindoll 1990 Dallas Seminary
Rhodes Thompson 1990
J VERNON MCGEE 1999
Jerome Smith 1992
CRAIG BLOMBERG 1993 Denver Seminary
J Duncan M Derrett 1993
Walter Kaiser Jr 1994 Gordon-Cromwell
Moises Silva 1994
Benny D Prince 1995
Brian K Morley 1996
Linda L Belleville 1996
Ron Rhodes 1997
Ernest L Martin 1997
Michael Webb 1998
R Johnston 1999
Mark Snoeberger 2000 Baptist
Stuart Murray 2000 Eng
George W Greene 2000
Old Line Primitive Baptists 2000
Jaime Cardinal Sin 2000 Cath Archbishop
RUSSELL EARL KELLY 2001 Baptist
Jonathan Kitchcart 2001
Frank Viola 2002
George Barna 2002
Michael Morrison 2002
Elliott Miller 2003
Matthew Narramore 2004
David Alan Black 2004 Baptist SEBTS (my site)
Andreas Kostenberger 2007 Baptist SEBTS (my site)
Danny Akin 2007 Baptist SEBTS (my site)
Mark Driscoll 2008
Roman Catholic Church
Jehovah’s Witnesses
New Worldwide Church of God

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Yeah...but those folks aren't Apostolic so they don't have the revelation! When you come to the revelation of Christ and the Oneness, the tithing revelation is automatic within you. LOL.

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First... the tithe wasn't "established" before the law. One time in Abrahams life he gave a tenth of the spoils of war to a King. (which was an established custom of those days) That isn't establishing a tithe. An established tithe would be that it was an established concept that people gave a tenth to the Levites or some facsimile thereof.

To state that one man gave a tenth, not of his income or his flock, but of the spoils of war one time to one king isn't an established concept. It is an example of something that happened in history.

Secondly... It isn't committing financial suicide. It is trusting God. If one has a true understanding of what is being said in Malachi 3 we would see that God was telling the priests... who were keeping all of the tithe for themselves... that if they would trust God and go back to the 10% they were supposed to be keeping then they would have more than they could handle. It would seem that going from 100% to 10% would be financial suicide but God said... do it my way and see what happens. I'll bless you more than you can handle.

This is what preachers tell people all the time. You think you can't afford to tithe? You can't afford NOT to tithe... try God and see if He doesn't pour out on you a blessing you cannot contain.

But... then... when the tables are turned and someone says... trust the Lord... now all of a sudden it's financial suicide.

On the issue of what was really being said in Malachi 3 here is a post of mine from another thread.

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Fellowship Bible Church
Decatur, TX
Fellowshipbiblentx.org

Beliefs on website.

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I haven't been stirred up on this subject for quite some time, but it is statements contrary to the gospel, like this, that really bother me. Have ye not read, we are not redeemed by corruptible things like silver and gold, but by the precious blood of Jesus Christ? When you sing "what can wash away my sins? Do you add 'and paying tithes' to the blood of Jesus? To say that god demands tithing to go to heaven isn't only ignorant, it is heresy, and an insult to the grace of God and the blood of Christ.

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Perhaps belivers in freewill giving should make a new version of the New Testament, and take out the references to christian tithing.....oh wait, there are none.

Now, wasn't there a fellow who went through the trouble of publishing a whole new version of the Bible, The Holy Apostolic New Testament, just to erase the text of Matthew 28:19? Now who did that, FlaminZword?

So you tell me who has a problem with scripture?!

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Jason as always good to see you :thumbsup

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:lol

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To all that may read this who have been called to labor in the gospel. We have discussed the tithing issue for many years. IMO it is time to organize, sacrifice, and plant churches who want and will carry the banner of truth. Where truth is at the front of all that we say and do.

Forced tithing of money has taken the place of our Lord's suffering and sacrifice. It is now required for membership to the Body of Christ. We have been told it could effect your health, marriage, your children's well being and just plain bad things can happen to you if you don't.

One Org requires a signed statement that you will teach and practice tithing money, this I was told by a minister.

It seems the time has come to plant churches who will not teach this heresy. Whether it be home churches or the building approach. Not everyone is suited for home assembly or the building approach. One may have to move to different locales in order to live and worship in freedom. Through out history there were exodus's to flee tyranny, yes tyranny. Threatening eternity in hell if you don't line up is terror as well.

I know there are more than enough who are willing to sacrifice for this cause of truth.

Look at our ancestors--> 2nd Cor. 4
9 For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. 10 We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored! 11 To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless. 12 And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure; 13 being defamed, we entreat. We have been made as the filth of the world, the offscouring of all things until now. Paul’s Paternal Care

14 I do not write these things to shame you, but as my beloved children I warn you. 15 For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Therefore I urge you, imitate me.

2Cor. 11
Suffering for Christ

22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? So am I. 23 Are they ministers of Christ?—I speak as a fool—I am more: in labors more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequently, in deaths often. 24 From the Jews five times I received forty stripes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods; once I was stoned; three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I have been in the deep; 26 in journeys often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils of my own countrymen, in perils of the Gentiles, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; 27 in weariness and toil, in sleeplessness often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness— 28 besides the other things, what comes upon me daily: my deep concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to stumble, and I do not burn with indignation?


Are we willing to start moving in church planting? Sacrifice and suffering? Can we endure and imitate Paul.


Let's do it!!