Solution to Terror. Close Mosques?
 

From www.wnd.com

A “human rights” organization is calling on government authorities to shut down three U.S. mosques it claims are not merely religious centers, but political entities and “breeding grounds for jihad terror.”

The American Freedom Defense Initiative, or AFDI, explains its demands are part of an 18-point plan to protect the nation from Islamic terror in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings.

AFDI Executive Director Pamela Geller said in a statement, “In accord with those calls for responsible law enforcement regarding subversive activities in U.S. mosques, we are asking that government and law enforcement officials launch immediate investigations into the Islamic Society of Boston, the Dar al-Hijrah Mosque of Fairfax County, Va., and the Noor Center of Columbus, Ohio.”

“Any mosque advocating jihad or any aspects of Shariah that conflict with constitutional freedoms and protections should be closed,” AFDI insists.

AFDI argues shutting down the mosques wouldn’t be a violation of the Constitution’s First Amendment protecting freedom of religion, because Islam is not merely a religion, but a “political system.”

“AFDI calls for the U.S. and other non-Muslim governments to recognize officially that Islam is a political movement and so not solely religious in the strict sense of the U.S. Constitution,” the organization states on its website. “Islam in its mainstream theological formulations and its dominant form throughout its history – not ‘extremist Islam’ or ‘hijacked Islam’ or ‘Islamism,’ but Islam in the Qur’an and Sunnah as understood by Islamic jurists and theologians – can and should be regarded as an authoritarian and supremacist political system as well as a religion, and thus Muslim groups should be subject to all the scrutiny and legal requirements of political organizations, without being able to shield their political activities behind the protection of religious freedom.”

AFDI, therefore, is calling for “immediate investigation into foreign mosque funding in the West and for new legislation making foreign funding of mosques in non-Muslim nations illegal,” as well as for “surveillance of mosques and regular inspections of mosques in the U.S. and other non-Muslim nations to look for pro-violence materials.”

AFDI explained in a statement why it specifically called for closure of the three mosques in Massachusetts, Virginia and Ohio.

The Islamic Society of Boston, AFDI claims,

Was founded by Abdulrahman Alamoudi, now in prison for financing al-Qaida;
Was attended by Aafia Siddiqui, now serving an 86-year-sentence for plotting a jihad attack in New York City;
Was attended by Tarek Mehanna, now serving 17 years in prison for conspiring to aid al-Qaida;
Was attended by Ahmad Abousamra, who has fled to Syria and is wanted by the FBI;
Was attended by Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the accused Boston Marathon bombers.

The Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Fairfax County, Va., AFDI asserts,

Was established with funds from a Muslim Brotherhood group;
Was led by Mohammed al-Hanooti, the mosque’s imam from 1995-1999, who was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing;
Was led by Anwar al-Awlaki, the mosque’s imam from 2001-2002, who the U.S. government says was involved in al-Qaida terrorist operations and has had extensive contact with three 9/11 hijackers, the Fort Hood jihad murderer and the Christmas underwear bomber;
Included Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, a camp counselor at the mosque now in prison for plotting to assassinate President George W. Bush;
Was attended by Nidal Malik Hasan, the Fort Hood jihad mass murderer.

The Noor Mosque in Columbus, Ohio, AFDI asserts,

Is led by Dr. Hany Saqr, previously an imam for another mosque, which at that time was the base of operations for al-Qaida, including convicted jihadists Iyman Faris, Nuradin Abdi and Christopher Paul;
Has been directly linked to the Somali Muslims who have gone from the U.S. back to Somali for jihad terror training;
Has had members who threatened the life of Rifqa Bary, a teenage girl who left Islam for Christianity.

“These mosques are not unique,” Geller claims. “There are many others like them. But they are the tip of the spear. It is time that our officials demand that they obey American laws or be held accountable for not doing so.”

AFDI asserts itself as a “human rights” organization because of its stance against the encroaching tyranny of Islam’s Shariah legal system, claiming it defends the freedom of speech from Islamic “blasphemy” laws, the freedom of conscience from the Islamic death penalty for apostasy and the the equality of rights of all people before the law – as opposed to Shariah’s “institutionalized discrimination against women and non-Muslims.”

I wonder how the Government would react to a Church used for such purposes?

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There is IMO a degree of wisdom to be followed in the phrase, 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer" that applies to these mosques

The way they are makes them at least somewhat easier to monitor and possibly infiltrate. But pushing them underground will make it harder to keep tabs on them, and you know one thing that is a sure bet is they are not going to change their ways

On the other hand if you want to talk about kicking any people who present a clear danger to us out of the US with no more than the pajamas they are wearing......... I am all ears

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Great post.

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Very informative post!

However, I see this as a very slippery slope.
I would rather our government not touch these mosques in order to make sure there isn't a precedent of the government doing anything to shut down any place dedicated as a place of worship.

Such a stance can definitely be taken advatange of, but I value FREEDOM more than security.

Today the Muslims, tomorrow you and I?

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I agree with you completely, it is indeed a slippery slope. We (the U.S.) are in a no win scenario where islam is concerned. Like it or not, 9/11 has forever changed this Country. The Government has already begun to label certain "fundamentalist" Christian groups as perceived "threats."

We are in a very tenuous position as Americans and as Christians. I too value freedom. But I fear the pendulum has already swung too far.

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HIGHLY unconstitutional

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No it's not.
No organization has the right to usurp the constitution.
Sharia Law does exactly this - it usurps the constitution.

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That is exactly right, and there is a big push for Sharia law being made already in many arenas.

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Seems fair as long as churches whose members or leadership commit crimes are also closed

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Details? Elaborate.

Most Muslims in the US are thankful for the separation between religion and government.

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At least in the cases I know of in Palestine, the people had an option of civil or Sharia Law...but there is surely socieatal pressure, I guess. Hi, WII, ltns!

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December 28, 2012
The Sharia Threat to America
By Fred Grandy

"There is a great deal of misinformation circulating with regard to sharia and the threat it poses to America and Western Civilization.

Some misinformed observers and members of the Muslim Brotherhood liken concerns over sharia to prejudice and bigotry, but the facts say otherwise.

Terrorism experts in the law enforcement, military and intelligence communities have cited sharia as the Jihadists' enemy threat doctrine in an intensive study called "Shariah: The Threat to America," a scholarly, 352-page book based on authoritative sources of sharia, or Islamic law. While sharia does include "prayer and fasting" and "worship," sharia is also an all-encompassing legal and political code that covers aspects of life that have nothing to do with religion.

Perhaps most importantly, unlike other forms of religious law, such as canon law and Jewish law, sharia is the only form of religious law extant that is also meant to apply to people of other faiths, i.e. non-Muslims.

The threat from sharia has nothing to do with prejudice or bigotry. The threat from sharia is real and multifaceted.

Some claim that sharia is no threat to the American legal system, but research shows such a threat does exist. Just as sharia has gradually become embedded in the legal systems of many European nations over the past generation, it is beginning to be found in US court cases. An initial study by the Center for Security Policy entitled "Shariah Law and American State Courts: An Assessment of State Appellate Court Cases," examined 50 cases from 23 states that involved conflicts between sharia and American state law. The study's findings suggest that sharia has entered into state court decisions, in conflict with the Constitution and state public policy.

This incursion of sharia into US court systems usually manifests itself in the form of foreign law from nations such as Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, Syria and other predominantly Islamic nations. As a result, four states, Tennessee, Louisiana, Arizona and Kansas, have passed into law "American Laws for American Courts," legislation. Several more states are considering American Laws for American Courts. Unlike Oklahoma's infamous constitutional amendment, American Laws for American Courts does not ban sharia. American Laws for American Courts protects individual, fundamental constitutional rights by preventing courts from applying foreign law when the application of that foreign law in the case at hand would result in the violation of a fundamental constitutional right, such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion, due process and equal protection.

Among the organizations that are clouding the issue on sharia is the Saudi-backed Islamic Society of North America (ISNA).

ISNA was named as an unindicted co-conspirator and revealed to be a Muslim Brotherhood affiliate in the US v. Holy Land Foundation, the largest terrorism financing prosecution in American history.

ISNA was co-founded in 1981 by Sami Al-Arian, a man who is now in federal prison after having been convicted on terrorism charges as a member of Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

According to two reports in the San Francisco Chronicle, the other co-founder of ISNA, Mahboob Khan, twice hosted Ayman al-Zawahiri on fundraising trips here in the USA.

In addition, a regional representative for ISNA, Abdurahman Alamoudi, was found to be a chief fundraiser for Al Qaeda here in the USA and was convicted on terrorism charges. Alamoudi founded the Islamic Society of Boston using ISNA's tax-exempt, non-profit status.

ISNA board member Muzammil Siddiqi told the San Francisco Chronicle in June 2001 that he "supported laws in countries where homosexuality is punishable by death."

Siraj Wahhaj, who served as vice president of ISNA, is on record as supporting all aspects of sharia, including its call for brutal punishments like the removal of one's hands as the penalty for theft, and death by stoning as the penalty for adultery. According to Wahhaj, such harsh measures are wholly justified by Islamic scripture as he preached in a May 1992 sermon: "I would cut off the hands of my own daughter [if she stole] because Allah stands for Justice." On another occasion, Wahhaj stated: "If Allah says 100 strikes, 100 strikes it is. If Allah says cut off their hand, you cut off their hand. If Allah says stone them to death, through the Prophet Muhammad, then you stone them to death, because it's the obedience of Allah and his messenger-nothing personal."

Islamic scholar Stephen Schwartz has described ISNA as "one of the chief conduits through which the radical Saudi form of Islam passes into the United States."

These hardly seem like the kind of people who should be leading interfaith outreach in the USA."

The Honorable Fred Grandy is a former member of Congress.

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The Center for Security Policy’s report, Shariah Law and American State Courts: An Assessment of State Appellate Court Cases evaluates 50 Appellate Court cases from 23 states that involve conflicts between Shariah (Islamic law) and American state law.

These cases are the stories of Muslim American families, mostly Muslim women and children, who were asking American courts to preserve their rights to equal protection and due process. These families came to America for freedom from the discriminatory and cruel laws of Shariah. When our courts then apply Shariah law in the lives of these families, and deny them equal protection, they are betraying the principles on which America was founded.

The study’s findings suggest that Shariah law has entered into state court decisions, in conflict with the Constitution and state public policy. Some commentators have said there are no more than one or two cases of Shariah law in U.S. state court cases; yet we found 50 significant cases just from the small sample of appellate published cases.

Others have asserted with certainty that state court judges will always reject any foreign law, including Shariah law, when it conflicts with the Constitution or state public policy; yet we found 15 Trial Court cases, and 12 Appellate Court cases, where Shariah was found to be applicable in these particular cases. The facts are the facts: some judges are making decisions deferring to Shariah law even when those decisions conflict with Constitutional protections.

Shariah Law and American State Courts: An Assessment of State Appellate Court Cases includes summaries of several cases in which the court’s application of Shariah law appears to be in direct conflict with Constitutional liberties and the public policies of the state.


Shariah Law and American State Courts: An Assessment of State Appellate Court Cases
Version 1.4 / June 21, 2011 (PDF, 635 pages, 2.4 MB)

NOTE: In the fifty full-text published court cases, the highlighted search terms are included for the reader’s convenience.

For more information, contact the Center for Security Policy
www.securefreedom.org

to schedule an interview, contact:
David Reaboi dreaboi@securefreedom.org (202) 431-1948 or (202) 835-9077


http://shariahinamericancourts.com/w...4_06212011.pdf

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ISNA was named as an unindicted co-conspirator and revealed to be a Muslim Brotherhood affiliate in the US v. Holy Land Foundation, the largest terrorism financing prosecution in American history.

Unindicted and untried BUT convicted in your pulpit though aren't they? And you were just flag-waving over the Constitution! LOL.....

Fred Grandy might be an "honorable member of Congress" but he turned out to be just another hollywood actor right-wing nut who was kicked off the radio for his Islamophobic hate speech. You two should have coffee sometime.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...slam-comments/

Funny you bring up stoning.

Here are the reasons for being stoned in the bible:

For touching Mount Sinai

Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13

For taking "accursed things"

Achan ... took of the accursed thing. ... And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. ... So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Joshua 7:1-26

For cursing or blaspheming

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16

For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

For animals (like an ox that gores a human)

If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28

For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

For worshipping other gods

If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10

For disobeying parents

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

For witches and wizards

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27

For giving your children to Molech

Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:2

For breaking the Sabbath

They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56

For cursing the king

Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10

And you say ISLAM is violent? Are you kidding?

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Hiya byrd! Still at it I see LOL

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”
"We never knew an ignorant person yet but was prejudiced"

Twain

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This discussion is over. The point has been made with clear and indisputable facts, news reports and references from the Koran all of which can be readily checked and verified as accurate.

If there is anyone who still has lingering questions I refer you to the following link:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...=1#post1250387

In this Thread you will find documented a litany of terror spanning decades. The dates and events are meticulously recorded for all to see. This Thread is awesome! Seekerman has truly done some excellent research and presents it in such a way that the facts speak for themselves. They speak so loudly that none can respond except in silent sorrow. I consider it the final word on the subject. Nothing more needs to be said!

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Ah, the old, reliable, Larrylyates copy/paste Pontification. Respect his authority! :lol

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Ha, yup. Actually this is a pretty small part of my day; I can only allot about 1/2 hour a day to "answering Christian stupidity," and I'm waaay over for today :lol

Nice quote! I'd save it for people with shoes tho :lol

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I'm a bit confused by your choice of references. We know from history that Christianity didn't exist until at least 400 years after the Old Testament. So you can't have Christianity in mind when you listed OT verses. And if it was a reference to the Jewish religion, I am even more confused???

Over and over we are told that the muslim worships the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If that is true as is claimed then all of the passages you just cited came from YOUR God? So, which is it? You can't have it both ways. Either admit that the God of islam is NOT the Jehovah of the Old Testament, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Or as you assert from your own choice of references, admit that in fact islam is indeed the most violent religion on the earth today!

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:lol good ol' Larry...you must respect his authority! :lol
Larry, wadr, really; take a break from Alabama, and go meet a real Muslim. They are just people, ok? They are not the radicalized lumps of flesh that your hate-links make them out to be, ok? The first page of any Qur'an makes it very clear that anyone who misuses the Qur'an to further violence is missing the point, and so it sounds ridiculous for you (or whoever) to keep pushing this "the most violent religion of the moment" yack, when neither your religion (the sicker one, that whole-heartedly endorses the largest arms dealers, your leaders, on the planet;would you like me to show you the threads on this forum?), nor Islam would claim anyone who feels that violence is ok. Ok?

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I mean, Hitler climed he was a Christian; do you really think you have a finger to point here?

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Just thought I would re-post it to see if it sounded saner. Nope, still sounds ridiculous.

Hitler wasn't a Christian. Hitler was a lapsed Catholic who practiced the occult arts. And he certainly wasn't American. Tell me how this post is remotely rational?

And once more, Apostolics in general are pacifists. We do not serve in the military except in non-combatant roles. They do not take up arms. You have us confused with someone else. You are demonstrating how little you actually know about Apostolics.

Tell you what, I'll go out and meet some real muslims, if you'll go out and meet some real Apostolics.

Oh, and I find it interesting that your post was a direct attack on me personally. In no way did you remotely attempt to address the facts of the post of mine you were reacting to! Curious!

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Amen. See that you sound equally ridiculous parrotting Fox News, and calling these "Muslim terrorists," when Islam would not claim them. Even the phrase is an oxymoron, like "Hitler the Christian."
Well, you would have to argue H's "Christianity" with H--for all I know, he was carrying out the will of God, and punishing the Jews; as unpleasant as that might be to contemplate. As for the last, I am not bound by 'rational,' and never claimed the post was such.
Well, the gun lover's threads on this very forum might argue with you by default, and I reiterate that you give a blessing, by default, to the largest arms dealers on the planet--the largest the planet has ever known.
It is probable that we are varying semantically @ "Apostolic," as I note that many actually mean "Pentecostal." I'll take you up on that, however. By "meet," I mean "have dinner with."
"Facts are simple and
facts are straight
facts arent lazy and
facts arent late
facts dont come with points of view
facts don't do
what I want them to
facts just twist
the truth around
facts are living
turned inside out..."

But it was likely just a knee-jerk response to the overload, Larry; I'll try to keep that to a minimum. My feeling was then that you had possibly been lecturing in front of freshmen for a bit too long, and that it would be good for you. Peace to you.

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And btw, for some real, present day "Speaking in Tongues," anyone reading this might do well to get off that "Shall We Gather at the River" jazz--um, when exactly did "I came that you might have Life, and more abundantly" turn in to "I can't wait to die, and go to heaven," anyway?--and Google the above with quotes. With apologies to anyone who likes...ha, nope, cancel that.

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Peace to you. (bbyrd)

And to you as well.

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I'm reading that Muslims are a "clear and present danger" and that their places or worship should be closed down and barred.

It's because christians are pacifists

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Nice information. ISLAM is not violent but most terror accidents are caused my individuals related to this religion. There must be some problem. It has to be solved out other wise ISLAM will lose its importance as peace keeping religion:thumbsup:thumbsup

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As christianity has lost its importance as peace keeping religion? Then you walk around stunned and dizzy because you are unwelcome around the world after being responsible for the deaths of tens of millions? Some recent and not so recent events / examples

•Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'.


Colonel John Chivington, a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church ("I long to be wading in gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.
From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed ..

In Hawaii the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage that by then had reduced those islands' native population by 90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased members of the body'."

In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups. "Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.
According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the
Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on
fire and burn their victims alive..

Follow up

Priests get death sentence for Rwandan genocide
BBC NEWS April 19, 1998


A court in Rwanda has sentenced two Roman Catholic priests to death for their role in the genocide of 1994, in which up to a million Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed. Pope John Paul said the priests must be made to account for their actions. Different sections of the Rwandan church have been widely accused of playing an active role in the genocide of 1994

Cool story from vietnam

In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters; the Viet Minh; - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-Buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.
The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:


"Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."


Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of Buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of Buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - ; mostly in street riots ; - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].


To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI's lost their life.

This is an example as to the "why are we christians unwelcome" question:

•On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead.

•The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and Spanish raids.
•As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was very great and pestiferous."

•The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians went, he would rather go to hell.

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Problems all around and I think there is some problem in human nature now

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Closing a Mosque won't make those involved with that Mosque stop being radicals. In fact it will probably just enrage them and confirm their delusions about how America is against Islam

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Radical Muslims do not actually attend or participate in 'mainstream' (for lack of a better term) mosques. They tend to form their own groups of their own followers. Radical "fill in the blanks" do that everywhere.