Originally Posted by whollyHis (Post 8062)

In prayer today, I told the Lord that I felt 'disappointed' and 'let down' by my church family...immediately, I was stricken with condemnation. After prayer, I began to analyze just WHAT is the role of the church, when it comes to our own personal struggles? After all, everyone has their own battles that they are warring with...the 'church' didn't cause my problems, overall- why should I expect the 'church' to help 'fix' ME???

Am I being selfish and unreasonable? Am I having a pity party??

Any thoughts on this?? Am I beating the proverbial 'dead horse' with this thread?? I hope not...I am really struggling right now with some things...

Originally Posted by whollyHis (Post 8062)

In prayer today, I told the Lord that I felt 'disappointed' and 'let down' by my church family...immediately, I was stricken with condemnation. After prayer, I began to analyze just WHAT is the role of the church, when it comes to our own personal struggles? After all, everyone has their own battles that they are warring with...the 'church' didn't cause my problems, overall- why should I expect the 'church' to help 'fix' ME???

Am I being selfish and unreasonable? Am I having a pity party??

Any thoughts on this?? Am I beating the proverbial 'dead horse' with this thread?? I hope not...I am really struggling right now with some things...

Originally Posted by Blsdbeyondmsure (Post 8169)

We have to realize "the church" is made up of individual people. The support you are going to receive is based largely on your personal relationships with the individuals that make up the church.

If you have close relationships with people who attend your church, reach out to them. Let them know you need help. If you don't have relationships, try to start building some today. From my experience, most people are more than willing to help, IF you've reached out to them. Don't assume even if they are aware you're struggling that they know you need help. Often times, people don't want to intrude into someone's personal life, without being invited in.

Remember, when people fail, "His strength is made perfect in our weakness."

Originally Posted by Blsdbeyondmsure (Post 8169)

We have to realize "the church" is made up of individual people. The support you are going to receive is based largely on your personal relationships with the individuals that make up the church.

If you have close relationships with people who attend your church, reach out to them. Let them know you need help. If you don't have relationships, try to start building some today. From my experience, most people are more than willing to help, IF you've reached out to them. Don't assume even if they are aware you're struggling that they know you need help. Often times, people don't want to intrude into someone's personal life, without being invited in.

Remember, when people fail, "His strength is made perfect in our weakness."

Originally Posted by whollyHis (Post 8261)

Thank you, Chan...
I can see clearly now, the rain is gone...

Your posts have helped me make a decision...one that I have been struggling with for over a year now. I'm sure that my Pastor will be rejoicing when he hears it....

Your posts have been such an uplift today...

Originally Posted by Chan (Post 8331)

Thanks...I think.

I'm not sure what I said that would be construed as uplifting.

Originally Posted by Chan (Post 8142)

Yes, you are being selfish and unreasonable to think you have the right to demand that the Church help "fix" you. HOWEVER, the scripture does command each of us to bear one another's burdens. Now, what exactly that means I'm not sure.

Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 8369)

:bliss

Bro. Chan,

We ARE told in Galatians 6:2, "Bear ye one another's burdens, and

so fulfil the law of Christ". Two verses later we told, " For every man

shall bear his own burden".

It might be thought to be contradictory. So it has to be rightly

divided. I believe vs. 2 is telling us to care and prayfully give

support to one another in times of difficulty whether it be

sickness or other difficult times. Especially prayer support and

encouragement!

Vs. 5, perhaps would be speaking more of a man's burden as to be his

responsibility, as to his family. His wife and children. That's his own

"burden", to see they are cared for. They have been entrusted to him.

What a man/woman births is their "baby"! Their burden or responsibility!

Many time it seems there are those that feel it is the church's or even

maybe just the pastor's duty, to come up with the answers to their own

personal problems or situations. To me fathers and mothers

need to learn how to go to God for themselves and their family.

There are elders, men and women that are useful in the church. Read

I Tim. 5:1-2. There are many answers in the Word of God but you have to

read the "Instruction Book" if you want things to turn out right. If you don't

understand it, talk to the Author!!:bliss :bliss

Just some thoughts from a senior sister!

Blessings,

Falla39

Originally Posted by Chan (Post 8371)

I did say, "HOWEVER, the scripture does command each of us to bear one another's burdens." Your response makes it seem as if I wasn't aware of that passage. I will presume that the condescending tone at the end of your post was unintentional. :)

HOWEVER, your interpretation of the passages from Galatians 6 is a reasonable interpretation but I wonder if there might be a connection between the command to bear one another's burdens and the command in Romans to rejoice with those who rejoice and weep with those who weep.

Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 8369)

:bliss

Bro. Chan,

We ARE told in Galatians 6:2, "Bear ye one another's burdens, and

so fulfil the law of Christ". Two verses later we told, " For every man

shall bear his own burden".

It might be thought to be contradictory. So it has to be rightly

divided. I believe vs. 2 is telling us to care and prayfully give

support to one another in times of difficulty whether it be

sickness or other difficult times. Especially prayer support and

encouragement!

Vs. 5, perhaps would be speaking more of a man's burden as to be his

responsibility, as to his family. His wife and children. That's his own

"burden", to see they are cared for. They have been entrusted to him.

What a man/woman births is their "baby"! Their burden or responsibility!

Many time it seems there are those that feel it is the church's or even

maybe just the pastor's duty, to come up with the answers to their own

personal problems or situations. To me fathers and mothers

need to learn how to go to God for themselves and their family.

There are elders, men and women that are useful in the church. Read

I Tim. 5:1-2. There are many answers in the Word of God but you have to

read the "Instruction Book" if you want things to turn out right. If you don't

understand it, talk to the Author!!:bliss :bliss

Just some thoughts from a senior sister!

Blessings,

Falla39

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 8515)

Sis. Falla,

The burden in verse 2 speaks of a heavy load which it takes many to carry.

The burden in verse 5 refers to a burden the size of a soldiers pack which is meant for an individual to bear.


The entire passage speaks of maturity, personal responsibility and realizing our corporate responsibility to the body. True maturity not only bears it's own burden but also knows when to let others bear their own burden. Many folks in the church get a bum rap for not helping someone in need when, in fact, a greater good is done by allowing folks to work through some things on their own.

Many times I have asked folks to back away from other people in the altar in order to force that person to find their own way in prayer. In order for real healing to come a person has to be sure they want to be healed. Unfortunately, some folks want pity but not healing. If they really desire healing they have to be willing to give up their crutch and to cancel the pity party.

Originally Posted by Pragmatist (Post 8564)

I don't want the church body involved in my personal struggles. My husband and I are private people and would prefer to keep our issues private. I appreciate prayers from the pastor and saints, and encouragement is always welcome, but I don't want them to know my issues, let alone be involved in them.

Originally Posted by rrford (Post 8515)

Sis. Falla,

The burden in verse 2 speaks of a heavy load which it takes many to carry.

The burden in verse 5 refers to a burden the size of a soldiers pack which is meant for an individual to bear.


The entire passage speaks of maturity, personal responsibility and realizing our corporate responsibility to the body. True maturity not only bears it's own burden but also knows when to let others bear their own burden. Many folks in the church get a bum rap for not helping someone in need when, in fact, a greater good is done by allowing folks to work through some things on their own.

Many times I have asked folks to back away from other people in the altar in order to force that person to find their own way in prayer. In order for real healing to come a person has to be sure they want to be healed. Unfortunately, some folks want pity but not healing. If they really desire healing they have to be willing to give up their crutch and to cancel the pity party.

Originally Posted by whollyHis (Post 8062)

In prayer today, I told the Lord that I felt 'disappointed' and 'let down' by my church family...immediately, I was stricken with condemnation. After prayer, I began to analyze just WHAT is the role of the church, when it comes to our own personal struggles? After all, everyone has their own battles that they are warring with...the 'church' didn't cause my problems, overall- why should I expect the 'church' to help 'fix' ME???

Am I being selfish and unreasonable? Am I having a pity party??

Any thoughts on this?? Am I beating the proverbial 'dead horse' with this thread?? I hope not...I am really struggling right now with some things...

Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 8587)

Bro. RRFord,

If I had not seen who had written this post, I would have thought

my late pastor father had written it. And I can understand very well

what you are saying and agree.

You are writing from a minister's/ pastor's mind! Many thoughts

I post are not necessarily disagreeing with what I am replying to, but

just thoughts perceived from the mind of someone who walked and

worked side by side with my mother and father as they worked in the

vineyard where God planted them. They finished their work and He took

them out to rest. My family and I are still there serving in His vineyard.

Next year will mark 50 yrs in that vineyard.

Brother, I enjoyed your great post! :ty

Blessings,

Falla39

Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 8386)

Bro. Chan,

Perhaps I should have stated at the very start of my post that I wasn't

necessarily addressing you personally. Was really only responding to

the verse you quoted. Just wanted to dialogue a little.

If you presumed anything in my post to have a condescending tone,

it was the way you received it because it certainly was not my intention

at all!

Blessings,

Falla39