Are we really Jesus ONLY?
 

Are you really Jesus Only? Those who are not "Jesus Only" aren't really Jesus anything.

Sadly there are some so called "Oneness" who want to play "Pentecostal" but when accused of being "Jesus Only" by the trinity filth they start to wriggle and say "Oh we are Jesus everything" or this or that to defend themselves from being "Jesus Only". They have slipped and backslidden towards Rome while shouting and praising Jesus a few times a week.

True monotheists have no problem with the concept that Jehovah God, Jehovah Saviour Himself, in the flesh, died on a cross for a sinful humanity that He Himself had created from so much dirt on the ground.

The very word Jesus means "Jehovah Saviour". Jesus IS the creator.

Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

You see, Jesus Christ created the World. Those who REALLY believe that Jesus is God have no problem with that at all. Do you see Jesus Christ as the creator. Are you really "Jesus Only"?

Who was it really on the cross? It was Jehovah God, not any other.

1Cor 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

The princes of this world didn't recognize Him then and they don't recognize him now.

1John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Yes it was God Himself on the cross. Oh I have heard the confused rantings of the carnal and ignorant about how did the universe keep going if God had died and stuff like that.

The answer is quite simple Brothers and Sisters, God is the inventor of life and death. Life and death are mere tools in His hands. Did not Jesus Christ, Jehovah Saviour, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father say that He would raise Himself from the dead?

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

The Lord of Glory raised Himself from the dead.

So the next time some polytheistic, Christ rejecting, Rome loving, trinity filth calls you "Jesus Only" don't be defensive. Say something like well if you don't worship Jesus Only then who do you devils worship?

Life and death are to Jehovah Saviour of less effort than we expend changing shoes.

Do you recognize that Jesus Christ is God the Father?

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

See how those who don't know Jesus as God the Father don't really know Jesus at all?

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

So are you really "Jesus Only"?

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by

Carnal folks get really upset about Jesus Christ being the Great "I AM".

So are you really "Jesus Only"?

Only one throne in heaven and Jesus Only coming in the clouds...

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This bothers me. I'm not disagreeing with your primary points. I'm concerned that your tone gives them reason to reject our message.

Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Luke 6:27
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Romans 12:14
Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

1 Timothy 3:7
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Colossians 4:5
Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.

James 1:26
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

For many of us who hold the truth... our entire faith is merely pride and vanity.

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The trinitarian will be cast into the lake of fire. Pretending otherwise is not loving at all. There is a great danger in that there is a generation of "Oneness Pentecostals" who are devoid of even the concept of spiritual chastity. The Bible does not teach Christians to "play nice" with the devil or his ministers.

I am not accusing anyone in particular here but if the shoe fits then you need to repent.

There is a generation that is devoid of the concept that there even be such a thing as spiritual chastity. We even see the reprobate fringe of so called "oneness preachers" who see nothing wrong with attending trinitarian services (some of these same ones also teach that monogamy is only required of the ministry, though...).

Whos job is it to prove what is acceptable to God? Some real spiritual big name preacher off somewhere else, right? Let's have a look...

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

But notice the method whereby the Jesus Name baptised, Holy Ghost filled saint is to prove the acceptable and perfect will of God.

Now, does that say, "except for popular heathen holidays and popular fads, sports and traditions" be not conformed? See also http://www.prerapture.org/holiday

Does the Word of God really say, "mix with the false brethren and polytheists, bear with them and win them with your tolerance fellowship and love"? or does it say:

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Paul was addressing some Jesus Name Baptised, Holy Ghost filled saints and he was afraid for them that they would be corrupted. Just what was this horrible thing that they were doing that Paul feared for their spiritual chastity (or fidelity in other words, that they would be INFIDELS)? What was this horrible thing that Paul was so afraid they might do?

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Looking back one verse...

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Sure enough, Paul was fearing for their spiritual chastity, their spiritual fidelity. So let us look at these two verses together

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

But before we look at this terrible thing that Paul is afraid they would do, let us first look at who might be the "high risk" group for such corruption that Paul is fearful of. Let's back up just a few verses:

2 Corinthians 10:12 ¶ For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

The "high risk" group for spiritual infidelity will be a "mutual admiration society" commending themselves and measuring themselves by themselves, eh?

Now that we have come this far, what is this thing that Paul is so afraid that Jesus Name baptised, Holy Ghost filled saints might do that would render them spiritually corrupt, "unchaste" or "whorish". What great evil would they need to do???

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

What?! Just for bearing with someone like a trinity preacher or other false christian? What??? Does it really say that a Jesus Name Baptised, Holy Ghost filled saint would be corrupted just for "bearing with" a deceiver?

Jesus is coming back for a separate and Holy, spiritually chaste bride.

Here it is again, clearly "in context".

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

There is nothing "loving" about spiritual corruption.

Just "bear with" a trinitarian teacher or other false christian is spiritual infidelity.

To "bear with" something is quite a passive act, eh? Think of the effort required to merely "bear with" something.

In closing, let's look at Paul's mean old intolerant attitude towards deceivers.

2 Corinthians 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Let the real Children of God remain spiritually separate and chaste.

Real Christianity is not a watered down "passive" religion.

Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

The spiritually unchaste have not obeyed even the first commandment.

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I disagree. I'm not afraid of Trinitarians. Paul attended synagogues on the Sabbath to reason with the Jews. Paul also visited the Acropolis on Mars’ Hill, a pagan place of reasoning and philosophy to speak to the Athenians.

Being Apostolic means that we take this message and preach it wherever we find the opening. If it takes smiling and being friendly with a Trinitarian Christian to help some find the way more perfectly, I say we not be cowards or sissies and we do it.

Conversions are typically built by “relationships”. I’ve befriended a number of Trinitarians who thought Apostolics were cultists who after getting to know me and my family are now humbled by the Apostolic message. Three of these individuals are even Apostolic today.

I was raised in a Baptist home. A dear brother named Scott moved in next door to me and my mother. Scott and his family befriended us and were the friendliest neighbors we’d ever encountered. They did not only love each other, but they loved to us. They’d offer a friendly invitation to church occasionally which was rejected for a while. But they were sweet, loving, kind hearted. Rhoda, his wife, befriended my mother and prayed for her. Eventually we went to church with them. We were both filled with the Holy Ghost and baptized in Jesus’ name. I’m thankful Scott had the Christian guts not to call us “filth” but to love us. My grandfather was a Baptist minister. Did Scott tell us my grandfather was “filth”? No. He told me that my grandfather sounded like a wonderful man who evidently loved the Lord.

Scott didn’t call us filth, “Satan’s ministers”, or any other insult. Scott loved us. Sincerely loved us. My mother was Apostolic until she fell asleep. I’ve served as a Sunday School teacher in the Apostolic church for seven years and preached for four. I’ve led souls to the Lord, most previously “Christians” who needed a deeper understanding.

I think sometimes we resent non-Apostolics because so many reject this message. But the truth is… no person comes unto the Father unless the Spirit draws him or her. If God isn’t drawing…all the witnessing in the world will not bring them closer to the Lord. Sometimes we then become bitter and hateful because we don’t understand why they would neglect so great a salvation. We imagine that they are just being obstinate or rebellious. While some are…most are simply not being drawn at the moment we speak to them. But we have to remember…even those being obstinate and rebellious may wake up with God dealing with them a year from now. If we’ve called them “filth” or “Satan’s ministers” we only frustrate what God is trying to do in their lives.

I do believe that there are ministers of Satan. But I’m hard pressed to identify them. In my experience Trinitarians are sincere, they’re just afraid to depart from what they’ve learned BECAUSE they are afraid of making a mistake and displeasing God. I’ve been there, so I know.

Perhaps the true “minister’s of Satan” are of our own number. These ministers teach the “truth”…but they teach it in a way that propels men from it. With hate filled speech and snarling malign these false preachers who are pretending to be Apostolic bring reproach on the cross in the eyes of the unsaved. No unsaved person wishes to hear about a Jesus that makes a person bitter and or hateful. No unsaved person wants a Jesus that makes people slanderous and cursing against those who need the truth more than anyone else. These hate filled preachers are so convinced of their own righteousness that they would rather seek to remain “pure” than extend themselves to LOVE someone who doesn’t know the truth. Of course, their tune might change if one might appear to be on the road to becoming a tithing member of their religious exclusive social club.

I digress.

I believe that deep down inside, beyond all the posturing you’ll do on this forum to save face and protect your pride, you know full well what I’m telling you is the truth.

May God grant you grace and peace through the love of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Amen.

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I believe that the devilish infidel reprobate fake here has shown his true colors by simply using the phrase "Trinitarian Christian". He betrays himself as a minister of Satan by his own words.

I pray that I will never be popular among spiritual infidels and reprobate lukewarm spiritual filth.

We need to beware of infidels and spiritual filth who do the work of the devil and would undermine the truth of Acts 2:38 salvation even as they "play apostolic". A person who has not obeyed Acts 2:38 is not a Christian. The devil is a liar and his pride engorged reprobate servants are liars as well.

2Cor 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2Cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Cor 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

There will be no infidels or lukewarm spiritual filth walking streets of gold. I perceive that our Satanic advocate here is still way more "Baptist" than he would perceive.

Bro. Winter

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Bro. Steve... rock on witcha bad self. :toofunny

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Ya. What was A.D. Urshan thinking. he must have been from the devil with his triunity.

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I've been to three circuses and four county fairs and I ain't never heard this kind of mess, even there.

Put on a little charity my brother, and you might even want to work on "a good report of them that are without!" Don't you think?

1Ti 3:7* Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Been Thinkin

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Where you get streetS of gold from??

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Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

I don't have documentation handy but I believe that it has become established science that gold in its 100% pure state is transparent.

Regards,

Bro. Winter

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LOL!!! :spit

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ROFL

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Still no streetS mentioned. It only says street(singular) of gold.

You mean gold that we can see through???

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Song my late father would sing:

WALKING UP THE KING'S HIGHWAY

ITS A HIGHWAY TO HEAVEN
NONE CAN WALK UP THERE
BUT THE PURE IN HEART
ITS A HIGHWAY TO HEAVEN
i AM WALKING UP THE KINGS HIGHWAY

VRS 1
MY WAY GETS BRIGHTER , MY LOAD GETS LIGHTER
WALKING UP THE KINGS HIGHWAY
THERE'S JOY IN KNOWING WITH HIM I'M GOING
WALKING UP THE KINGS HIGHWAY

VRS2
DON'T HAVE TO WORRY, DON'T HAVE TO HURRY
WALKING UP THE KINGS HIGHWAY
CHRIST WALKS BESIDE ME, ANGELS TO GUIDE ME
WALKING UP THE KINGS HIGHWAY

VRS3
IF YOU'RE NOT WALKNG, START WHILE I'M TALKING
WALKING UP THE KINGS HIGHWAY
THERE'LL BE A BLESSING, YOU'LL BE POSSESSING
WALKING UP THE KINGS HIGHWAY

I believe that "street of gold" is the Highway of Holiness!

Isaiah 35:8
And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

Another old song:

SIN CAN NEVER ENTER THERE

Heaven is a holy place,
Filled with glory and with grace—
Sin can never enter there;
All within its gates are pure,
From defilement kept secure—
Sin can never enter there.

Refrain:
Sin can never enter there,
Sin can never enter there;
So if at the judgment bar
Sinful spots your soul shall mar,
You can never enter there.

If you hope to dwell at last,
When your life on earth is past,
In that home so bright and fair,
You must here be cleansed from sin,
Have the life of Christ within—
Sin can never enter there.

You may live in sin below,
Heaven’s grace refuse to know,
But you cannot enter there;
It will stop you at the door,
Bar you out forevermore—
Sin can never enter there.

If you cling to sin till death,
When you draw your latest breath,
You will sink in dark despair
To the regions of the lost,
Thus to prove at awful cost,
Sin can never enter there.

I believe we enter in at the Door!
Jesus IS the Door. He gave the KEYS
to the KINGDOM to Peter. Peter opened
the door on the day of Pentecost and
it has been open ever since.

Sin cannot enter there. It will stop you
at the DOOR. There's only one Door and
it's open to whosoever will. But you must
become as a little child, open and honest
and willingly obedient as a little child. Those
who argue and resist, trying other "keys",
it will not work.
We'll go in by Jesus Christ or we won't go
in. HE is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Falla39

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As concerning the previous comments calling trinitarian people filth and the ministers' of Satan I contend that name calling will not promote any movement whether it be Pentecostal or otherwise. Calling someone a dirty name is the effort of a feeble mind to express it's contention without reason. Many who have heard the trinity think of it in the same way we think of oneness. My point is don't stereotype an entire population whom you do not know all of.

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Mature people don't usually go around calling people names! Children do that!
So when I hear those who speak unkindly and call people names, I know that
they have not reached maturity yet! It doesn't matter what age, if they con-
duct themselves in that manner, they need to grow up and mature.
We may not agree but there is a way to disagree without being rude and
ugly about it!:thumbsup

Falla39

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I know other "Jesus Only" men that sound just like you. And your sound is far from Jesus, so please stop insulting HIM.

One of such men have seven or eight children, and he can't even get along with his own kids, so I would not expect him to get along with the Body of Christ. And of course, he does not, he offends everyone everywhere he goes, his own children hate him. He is a pastor and only he and his wife is there most of the time. He built the church building with his own money, so he controls it all.

His own little kingdom, and trying to convince others that Jesus is a small as he is, nope, way off from Jesus.

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If 99.999% gold is a opaque as can be, I very much doubt .001% takes it from 100% opaque to 100% transparent. :lol

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Aw, he's banned? His threads were so entertaining! :razz LOL

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Yeah, I know...... what a bummer. Maybe it's just how he's going to spell his new band. :bigbaby ..... and he gets a bonus for his cred..... banned from AFF - another group of filthy, trinity loving, reprobates. :grampa

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He did say he hoped he'd never be popular among infidel ministers of Satan who wouldn't proclaim that trinitarians are "filth". Considering that, he might be upset that we're voting on which of his songs are our favorite. :neener

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I remember Winter from the old usenet days back in the late 90s. His methods were the same back then. Use inflammatory language in order to elicit like response from others.

Folks stopped interacting with him very quickly. Didn't take them long to know what kind of spirit they were dealing with.

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Are we? I hadn't noticed. :whistle

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I am Jesus Everything

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Well, as usual winter didn't last long.:grampa:grampa:grampa:grampa:grampa

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God made all four seasons! There was a reason for each one!
We humans get to WINTER and can't stand the cold, SPRING comes
and seems so nice until SUMMER comes along and spoils our com-
fort zone. Then FALL, and again, it feels so nice, until WINTER comes
along and steals our comfort zone again. But IF we just remember,
each season doesn't come to last, it comes to pass!

Blessings,
Falla39

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You know I was referring to Bro. Winters, right? He never last more than a day or two before he banned for nasty attitude.

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Whats wrong with this post?..Jehovah God on the cross?..impossible sir..

1 Tim 1:17..immortal..

I think we have our defintion for God confused...seriously

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Was Bro. Winters for REAL? Is he really that rash in real life? Or was he putting on a show? I hope it was the latter! That much venom in a person will surely, ultimately destroy that person. Man, they come and then they go! Bless be the name of the Lord!

Been Thinkin

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shoulda seen him tell me off on facebook lol. i was dirty filth ..

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He's for real. I first encountered Winters online in the late 90's and he was the same then as he is now.

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:yo That's pretty much how he rolls....God love him. :heart

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Yes, Bro,
I knew what you were referring to!

Just making a little play on your words.

Quote by Crakjak:

Well, as usual winter didn't last long.

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"Trinitarian filth" ??!!! REALLY? How do you expect to reach ANYONE for Christ when you obviously look down on them?! Christ didn't look down on anyone... he reached out to them WITH LOVE! (still does) And you can quote all the scripture you want, if you arn't LIVING IT then it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for you and you will only push others AWAY FROM CHRIST! Do yourself a favor... take a good look in the mirror and start with YOURSELF FIRST!

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I doubt that he will see this ctclady. This is a two year old thread.

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Where is your faith :icecream

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In my opinion, the One who hung on the cross was YHWH God in a body of flesh. The YHWH part could not die but the flesh part did.

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That's just the way our Brother Steve Winter is. He had a few "good" things to say about me on Facebook:


July 29, 2011
"James Ellis is a liar, a reprobate and a deceiver. You should not allow a deceiving devil like him on your friends list."


July 30, 2011
"Lawrence if you want scum like James Ellis on your friends list you don't want me"

June 25, 2011
"Satan's punk, James Ellis, is a filthy liar and a minister of Satan and should not be considered a brother. Let the real Christians agree with me in prayer that the Lord reward him according to his works before he is able to deceive even one weak soul."

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I like the phrase "Jesus Only". I would like to see a revival of it.

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I think Bro. Winters could be a sidekick of Bert Carring/Tangible.... maybe they're one and the same.... :slaphappy