Going to see Stoneking tomorrow:
 

Prophetic Word Conference 2010

http://www.pwawc.com/

I'm hoping for something other than a prophetic teaching on hair... maybe he'll answer some of my questions if he does!

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Don't count on it.

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I used to really get into LS's preaching. Id drive 3 hours north and south to hear him. The first time I heard this hair stuff was in Visalia. I was very disappointed. I didn't hear one thing about anything other than this hair biz. There were a lot of single men there and this was a singles conf...nothing for the singles, nothing for the men, unless you were married to one then you were safe because your wifes angels were watching out for you too.

Then we had a hair letting down party so the Holy Ghost could move. That bothered me even more to think the Spirit was not moving cuz her hair was up.

Ever since then I have been more and more jaded on LS.

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Did he instruct them to let their hair down?

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It was one of those "If witches know about this...if Witches know about THIS how much more should our ladies let down their hair?" if I remember right. I don't think he said "Ladies, let down your hair", but still that sort of thing is called "suggestion"

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So the women just randomly started taking their hair down and praying? Did they wave it around or drape it over other people?

What a huge disappointment that message would be, especially at a singles' conference.

I believe men like LS mean well, but they will still be held accountable for what they preach.

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LS creeps me out!

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He is will be the same EVERY time you hear him.

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I remember the first time I heard LS in person...I was SO excited because I had listened to so many of his "preaching tapes" and thought he was the bomb.

The part that was a bit disappointing was that he told ALL the same stories as I had already heard on the preaching tapes, so it was like watching old reruns. I could practically lip sync what he said. :toofunny

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Since this is a "prophetic tour" I'm hoping it's something new.

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That would be great...can't wait to hear how it went. :)

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I personally believe God uses Lee Stoneking.

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How much false doctrine does it take before the next generation of listeners and young preachers who teach it starts to make it a unofficial and later "official" doctrine?

You gotta root out unbalanced teachings like this. He and the other ladies/singles speakers are teaching on something that hasn't existed in church teachings for 20 centuries. By allowing it on multiple levels .. including having Hainey give a nod to it pushes the UPCI rightly into cult territory.

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I also believe God uses him, but he is a human being and it is possible for him to be wrong. He has a lot of influence on people. Many people believe what he says because of his reputation, and not because they've confirmed it in Scripture.

I do believe that he means well, and truly believes what he preaches.

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Yup, but to be fair, I think most evangelists do that...repeat themselves. If a message worked good in one place they will reuse it and maybe tweek it a bit. One of the things that contribued to my jadedness was his retelling a tabloid story of a bunch of oil drillers drilling to far down they could hear the screams of hell

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His prophetic tour will consist of talking about dying and womens hair. Two things he thinks should not be married, dying and womens hair, -dying womens hair!

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To do what?

Just asking. I haven't heard him in years.

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Well yeah, and God used Balaam, Balaam's donkey and the witch of Endor; but what's that saying?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon12.gif

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God also "used" Adolph Hitler (and no, I do not think LS is Hitler -He just used everything and everyone for the greater good no matter how evil or "wrong" they may be).

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He preached 'the order of creation'.

Notes to come if you're interested later.

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How original. Sounds like there will be some hairology upcoming in the notes.

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I know Lee, and have heard him preach more times than I can count. He's a Pentecostal Celebrity and people worship the ground he walks on.

Because he is so popular is a warning sign. Just Google his Web Site. It reeks of HIM.

His messages are boring and canned. He says the same thing everywhere he goes, looking for the "Response". He's addicted to reaction, constantly railing the congregation to "Clap for the Lord" or to do a standing ovation for the women who don't cut their hair.

He's the Benny Hinn of the Apostolic Movement.

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LOL. Unfortunately true.

Is Stoneking this generations William Brahnum?

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Brahnum was a NUT!

My definition of a NUT is someone who goes overboard with Religion, manipulating people with "Their" idea, while lusting for the limelight and loving every minute of it.

Is Lee doing this?

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I'm interested. :)

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In my opinion, William Branham was a genuine prophet of God who got off track in later years. Years ago I read quite a bit of Branham's stuff. For a while I was on distribution for books of his teaching/sermons.

I don't know much about LS.

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I think that with WB it happend like you said Sam. I think when a man, human man, gets all that God info flowing through them that it can have bad affects down the road. I mean look at Elijah he had strange mental moments too. But with Elijah he had people around him that kept him in check..God kept him that way. WB mostlikely had only people around that lifted him up and not God. With Stoneking only time will tell.

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What more can God say outside of His word?..there is nothing new to add to it..
But I can relate to what your saying.

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I've heard this one of his.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4310648

Was this presentation much different?

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William Branham apparently became more twisted as time went on, which seems to happen with many who develop a great following. I do question his initial testimony, about the halo around his head, angelic beings, God talking to him, and many other beliefs which led to his demise.

He believed Eve had sex with the Serpent in the Garden, leading to the birth of Cain. He had staunch feelings about women, and said many things that hinge on abuse. His followers developed groups that were forbidden to go to school, being told that learning was evil.

I know Lee, personally. Sorry, but I don't trust him. Issues about him I'm not at liberty to speak of in this open Forum. I would not support his ministry in any way.

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"What more can God say outside of his word?" ... you asked. But Bono was hoping to hear LS say something new.

I guess you saw that as well. Not trying to split hairs. How much would you equate the things LS says with the things that "God has to say?"

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I agree totally.

He was never a teacher and tried to teach, then got into error. He was genuinely used of the Spirit.

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I agree, Sam. But if Branham were around today and I was sick, he'd the one of the first guys that I would seek for prayer. His theology would take a back seat to healing, for me at least.

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I think anytime someone becomes "popular" then God becomes less. They would be better off sharing what God gave them with others called by God and those people go and share and on and on. Sort of like a church planting movement. That way nobody gets the glory but God.

The church I came out of, really stressed the "respect" of the leaders. This has gotten so bad, that the leaders can do horrid things to the people under them, and until something really, really bad comes of it, nobody will confront the problem. They have more respect for the men than they do for God. But of course, they DO believe they are "Jesus in the flesh" so I guess they think they are respecting Jesus.

Kind of twisted though don't you think? If people are going around as if Jesus is talking and acting through them, and they are NOT doing as Jesus would do, why do people still think they need to "respect" them and obey them?

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I disagree about anytime someone becomes popular that God becomes less. God uses popular people all the same as he uses unpopular ones.

Respecting leaders is a different issue. How to respect a leader is often a fine line to walk, especially when you may disagree with them on some things. It's a delicate situation to know when to keep your mouth closed and when to voice concern and almost no one has mastered this.

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how about this, any time someone allows popularity to go to their head to promote themselves rather than God.

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:thumbsup (Though not all self promoting is bad).

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So, did you see LS or not? Did he answer your questions??

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Maybe he's still having LS pray for him to see the light?

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I've noticed, men who become "Untouchable" are in great danger of radical ideals that manipulate. When a man is only known by the Big Meeting and a Great Following, his political platform changes direction, doing whatever it takes to protect his kingdom.

When challenged, his power enables him to suppress those with little voices. He's also capable of keeping those of power in "Check", who might be able to expose the potential darkness in the individual, by the numbers on the book (Money, people, Attorneys who will fight for the corrupt).

Men who build a life of isolation, only in the "Light" of the common folk for very brief periods of time, drift into a fantasy world where they are King, guarding this form of hierarchy to the death.

What really happens is known by the medical field and by many deep studies regarding human nature. As the man abounds in this world of severe success, any threat becomes magnified as evil, even though it may be righteous. He is so used to being praised and lifted up that he must avoid all who oppose him, otherwise fear will plummet his mind into the doldrums of being nothing. His life becomes a constant "Witch Hunt", and the cost is unbearable, leading to the end result of damning the innocent.

His feast is always at the top. His name, always loved. No time is ever really spent in the severe pains of life. Only sputtering moments, that pass by another flee into the mountains where they Rule and where the Mask awaits.