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We have an article on Muslims on our website. My husband trained as an Iman in Northern China at a Mosque. This guy actually is taunting him calling him the new christian Iman because we disagree on doctrine and Bro. Klein actually called him out on the violent behavior of Muslims in the world.
It is a shame that people cannot own up to the truth. The Muslim religon is far from peaceful and loving.

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Here is the link for those who wish to reply

http://brobruce.blogspot.com/2008/12...s-article.html

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The Muslims were defeated before the world was made....

those who convert to Christ are victorious :happydance:laffatu

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To the Muslims all Christians are dogs in their opinion. But things like that don't bother me because there are people right here in churches that think the same about other Christians that don't believe what they believe. As for me I will always take Yeshua's part whether to life, or to death.He made a difference in my life and changed the person that I use to be and that person then that I was would have been something that even the Muslims would have had to fear.
I believe and am persuaded that nothing can separate me from Him. I have him in my being and he is the Spirit of truth regardless of what others may say or think. I cannot be lead astray by diversity and debate or even by false belief and neither can you..
As David said," though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil for He is with me, and, His rod, and His staff, comfort me. He has set a table before me in the presents of mine enemies.

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I'm curious where you guys are meeting muslims, and what you are smoking.

"The Muslim religon is far from peaceful and loving."

Hmm, your Christian leaders are the leading buyers and sellers of arms on the planet.
Islam means Peace, and the overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful, loving people. You form your impression of black people the same way, by judging the idiots in the public eye?

"The Muslims were defeated before the world was made...."

Ya, and then you woke up. Ishmael is in your Bible, and was blessed of God.

"To the Muslims all Christians are dogs in their opinion."

Nothing could be further from the truth, and you guys should all seek a real news outlet, FOX is melting your brains, ok? Have any of you ever even met a "real" Muslim? Yikes. Ya, now castigate me with your story of some misguided Muslim whack-job, like Christianity doesn't have any of those, lol.

You make me embarrassed for Christians.

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A peaceful muslim doesn't follow his "word" very well.

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This can be read a couple different ways, so:

All Muslims are peaceful, by definition. To the extent that they are not being peaceful, they are not being Muslims. to identify the Jim Joneses of the Muslim world as if they repped Islam is to allow Muslims to take their impressions of Christians from a "Jones," which I note you could not get even an uneducated Muslim in a Mid-east country to do.

Not sure whose "word" you mean here, the Muslim's in question, or God's, but, assuming the Muslim's, and having quite a bit of experience here, I'd say that you have just found another exception to the rule, since even a violent "Muslim doesn't follow his word" is outside my considerable experience.

I would like to see this example of a "peaceful Muslim not following his word," as this would be a first for me. I don't mean to imply that it never happens, but that I can't imagine a practicing Muslim in this personal position, let alone compounding it by being quotable. Surely this will end up being a difference in semantics? I guess it depends upon what is meant by "following," but we'll see.

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I can quote numerous scriptures from the Quran, saying "fight unbelievers". Now at the same time, the bible does have these types of scriptures as well, but once Jesus came in the picture, mercy and love was preached. Edumacate me a bit, where in the Quran were these scriptures of violence amended?

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Ok, the subject is changing here, from "lying Muslims" to "define the fight," however--the fight is spiritual, even for an educated Muslim? Trust that the "Muslims" making the news are in no way representative of most Muslims. The Q'uran is just the Pentateuch, taken by Ishmael, blessed of God. their guiding principle is "Love your neighbor" too:

Al Fatiha ("The Opening")
7) The way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, those whose portion is not wrath, and who do not go astray.

So I'd have to point there.

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Because these peaceful Muslims do not consider the terrorists to be representing them, any more than Jim Jones represents you, and most Muslims, unlike US, have more sense than to "grab a strange dog by the ears."

The Koran does not teach anything differently than the Pentateuch teaches you, and your statement to this effect can't be found in the Koran. Islam is an Abramic religion, and likens itself to Christian and Jewish roots, right there after The Opening, in The Heifer.

Christ teaches "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" too, so...

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I wish folks would quit referring to those in power that use a church to drive their views as christians.

I believe that about 10% of this earths population is christian.

Matthew 5:48
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

1 Peter 1:15
"But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”"

Hebrews 13:21
"Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."

and for those who believe its not possible

Job 1:1
"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil."

also

Hebrews 6:1
"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God"

Now I'm not saying I am or that it's easy but it's not impossible.

Luke 1:37
"For with God nothing shall be impossible."

Alot of people hear this and get scared and fight it or whatever but remember

1 Timothy 1:16
Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

So to some it up....... most of these people, it is sickening to hear the name of christ applied to them.

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Thats spiritual warfare, and if you read on it states
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."

Try to tell your family that you believe in perfection and the possibility to perform miracles even as great as raising the dead because jesus said

John 14:12
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

and ask them to try and do the same

See if they wont try to make war with you.

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You can raise the dead?

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I can't, but through me god can.

The apostles done it what makes them different than I? I worship the same god, breathe the same air, and struggle the same flesh. I was given the same promises.

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But that wasn't the promise you quoted. "He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do".

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Besides, if my wife (a believer) followed your advice, we would not "war" with her. I'd think it was pretty strange that she would challenge me to raise the dead, and I might challenge her to demonstrate her power, but war? Nah.

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If your wife is a believer she would not expect someone who wasn't christian to raise the dead. I was meaning "Challenge them to become christian and follow the doctrine of the bible as it is stated not interpereted." I should have worded it differantly Im sorry. You have to have full faith and the spirit to do something that powerful.

Also if you want to go that far with the these he shall do. Then yes I do believe that I can with gods power. But I know that it is only through the power granted me by god that I am doing it... not of my own.

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If I am not mistaken, this is a round about way of admitting the you cannot raise the dead. With or without God's help.

And it is just bizarre challenge an unbeliever to do something that you cannot do. And again, if I am not mistaken, you know full well that they will not be able to raise the dead, either.

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No, I am saying that I can do it (Not at the moment but once I recieve the spirit), but by god's power not my own. I would not take the credit for it even if you saw my hand touch the body and it rise, because I would know that it wasn't by my power that it was done, but the power god given me.

John 5:19
"Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father doing: for what things soever he doeth, these the Son also doeth in like manner."

This case the son being the flesh Jesus, and the Father being God. Although one in the same, the power comes not from the flesh but the spirit. The spirit of god was the father, Jesus was the flesh unto whom he resided in. Same thing, different vessels.

Again, my challenge was not to raise the dead, it was to follow christ and his teaching, those things will follow. Why would I challenge a non believer to raise the dead, if he doesn't even believe gods able to do it, how could I expect him to?

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That's what I was wondering. Anyway, I guess you original point (which perhaps could have been illustrated better) was that Jesus was saying that families would be at "war" with each other, over Him. And I agree with that. He was absolutely right, with that prediction.

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Well, then, now you get the Biblical concept of "hate your family." ta da.
You can also kill or raise the dead, right now, spiritually, which is all God cares about. That other stuff was types given to you to see this, like the Pharoah story. And D is right on about that, that surely one w/enough faith could literally do it, but to seek a miracle, which is what you are doing, is approaching Christ with the wrong premise, hello.

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Tell me about it. Tired of contradicting yourself yet?

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Please show me my contradictions.

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Ha, I was being snide; I'm full of them!
The earlier disagreement by you at "hate your family" is what I meant.

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What about it?

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Um, now you agree, it seemed like.

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I said Jesus was right when he predicted that families would fight over religion. Didn't say it was good. Never disagreed with that prediction.

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Well, but you do seem to reject "hate your family."

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Of course I do! Don't you? :lol

But seriously, I can accept the usually offered defense of "hate your family" as hyperbole. It's very likely that Jesus really meant that you should love him much more than you love your family. But if that's the literal meaning, it is still very weird. Why would he say that? And what actual, real-life effect will that have?

Ah, that's where the other scripture comes in. One possible real-life effect it could have is that you may have to forsake your family. You may have to leave it, because of your religion. That's what Jesus predicted, and it has happened to many families. But at least you will be rewarded, if it happens.

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for paragraph 1
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...=1#post1154067, post 36; i bet Mr Shepard could tell us, lol...and as for paragraph 2, I'd say that you needn't forsake them! Much more likely they will forsake you, because you have lost your religion, imo. But we have different defs there.

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As usual! :lol

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Well, many people define "religion" as "spirituality;"
I do not.