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Re: The Johannine Comma: Inspiration? Or Interpola

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1333739)

Wow... talk about thread necromancy. Lol

Now that's funny! :highfive

Re: The Johannine Comma: Inspiration? Or Interpola

What is this, the Jesus Seminar, or something?

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Steve

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484 AD, hundreds of bishops emphasized the verse, specifically as scripture from John.

And I would add that the Vulgate Prologue, a first-person writing by Jerome, as one of the special major evidences. As the Prologue specifically referenced the tendency for the heavenly witnesses to be dropped from the text.

Hey Bro can you give us your reference for these things?

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Ok I found it on the net.

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"The Comma ....was invoked at Carthage in 484 when the Catholic (anti-Arian) bishops of North Africa confessed their faith before Huneric the Vandal (Victor de Vita, Historia persecutionis Africanae Prov 2.82 [3.11]; CSEL, 7, 60)"[81] The Confession of faith representing the hundreds of orthodox Bishops[82] included the following section, emphasizing the heavenly witnesses to teach luce clarius (clearer than the light):
And so, no occasion for uncertainty is left. It is clear that the Holy Spirit is also God and the author of his own will, he who is most clearly shown to be at work in all things and to bestow the gifts of the divine dispensation according to the judgment of his own will, because where it is proclaimed that he distributes graces where he wills, servile condition cannot exist, for servitude is to be understood in what is created, but power and freedom in the Trinity. And so that we may teach the Holy Spirit to be of one divinity with the Father and the Son still more clearly than the light, here is proof from the testimony of John the evangelist. For he says: There are three who bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.' Surely he does not say 'three separated by a difference in quality' or 'divided by grades which differentiate, so that there is a great distance between them?' No, he says that the 'three are one.' But so that the single divinity which the Holy Spirit has with the Father and the Son might be demonstrated still more in the creation of all things, you have in the book of Job the Holy Spirit as a creator: 'It is the divine Spirit ...[

Funny how something that big seems ignored by many discussing it. As if the verse was never even heard of before medieval times.

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1333869)

Ok I found it on the net.
Funny how something that big seems ignored by many discussing it. As if the verse was never even heard of before medieval times.

Isn't it amazing how they try to foster a false perception? Bruce Metzger was a master of the art of word parsing and omissions to hide and distort evidences and it has become the standard technique of those stuck trying to defend the modern versions.

My apology for missing the questions for awhile. :)

Steven

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The comma is an early reading but it was not part of the original manuscript. Metzger is correct.

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1417789)

The comma is an early reading but it was not part of the original manuscript. Metzger is correct.

How early?

And where does Metzger say the heavenly witnesses is an early reading?

And what is your authority for proclaiming the "original manuscript" of John?

Steven Avery

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1417789)

The comma is an early reading but it was not part of the original manuscript. Metzger is correct.

How is Metzger correct? Could you please explain how he came to his conclusions?

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1417826)

How is Metzger correct? Could you please explain how he came to his conclusions?

No early MSS have it?