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Praxeas 02-25-2013 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by cagneyfan (Post 1227913)
The bible also says call no man a fool and it speaks of loving those you see as sinners. Somehow calling them fools doesn't fall under the love category.
Actually, it does not say call no man a fool. Perhaps that might have been part of the problem, a lack of biblical hermeneutics.

When you read the context you see he was speaking about using the word fool out of anger.

There is nothing about the word "fool" that speaks of not loving someone. It's a category itself...it's the intent as Jesus was addressing in Mat..using it as an insult

Timmy 02-26-2013 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1228022)
Actually, it does not say call no man a fool. Perhaps that might have been part of the problem, a lack of biblical hermeneutics.

When you read the context you see he was speaking about using the word fool out of anger.

There is nothing about the word "fool" that speaks of not loving someone. It's a category itself...it's the intent as Jesus was addressing in Mat..using it as an insult
And SE would never do that. :killinme

cagneyfan 02-26-2013 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1227934)
I am sorry you have come to this point in your life. I know you are going to respond not to feel sorry for you but I do. I also will be praying for you. Which again I am sure you will tell me will do no good and not to bother. Never the less I will.
Actually, no you don't know how I will respond because in the two, nearly three years, that I have been gone not once have I ever stated such to any who have offered. If one wishes to extend that kindness to me they are more than welcome to and I thank them for it and you as well.

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I do want to point out that the purpose of this forum is not to discuss whether God exists nor it is a place to advocate for atheism. I know you have not gone there yet but just want to make sure you do not. Your friend came up in the context of being a believer who has renounced God.
Thank you for acknowledging that I have not engaged in such and I do not plan on it either. Something I also don't plan on is engaging in a personal attack because of how someone believes even though this has already been done twice under the guise of quoting scripture which, in some peoples eyes, makes it ok.

cagneyfan 02-26-2013 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1228019)
The bible calls them a fool.
And that gives a person permission to how? It helps bring them closer to your god how?

Answer: it doesn't.

cagneyfan 02-26-2013 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1228022)
Actually, it does not say call no man a fool. Perhaps that might have been part of the problem, a lack of biblical hermeneutics.
Somehow after 25 years I don't think hermeneutics was or would have been the problem. If so then those teaching and instructing were also in error. You as a pastor don't let a new minister into a pulpit who doesn't have proper understanding or instruction.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1228022)
When you read the context you see he was speaking about using the word fool out of anger.

There is nothing about the word "fool" that speaks of not loving someone. It's a category itself...it's the intent as Jesus was addressing in Mat..using it as an insult
Seriously? calling someone a fool is a good thing? Wow, I haven't spin like that in a while. It is very insulting and rude and somehow I think that if I started going around calling everyone here a fool for believing not only would the mods have an issue with me but so would the posters.

But hey it's ok because you're quote a bible verse. Someday pentecostals are going to understand that doing such and telling people how reprehensible they are doesn't lead people to god. It's just an insult.

Timmy 02-26-2013 07:43 AM
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Ya know, I think nearly all the OPs here would say there are some "fools" who believe things with no reason to believe them. Aren't there? Mormons, e.g.? Muslims? Hindus? Shintoists? Roman Catholics? Trinitarians? (Stopping there. :lol)

Timmy 02-26-2013 07:47 AM
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Anyway, back on topic, it is my considered opinion that there are a large number (won't speculate on an exact percentage) of ministers (and laymen) who are in the "pretending to believe" boat. Or at least in the boat of nagging questions that don't have answers. And not questions that don't matter -- questions that really should have answers! And better answers than "We don't know that, but we'll understand it all by and by." ;)

RandyWayne 02-26-2013 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by cagneyfan (Post 1228061)
Somehow after 25 years I don't think hermeneutics was or would have been the problem. If so then those teaching and instructing were also in error. You as a pastor don't let a new minister into a pulpit who doesn't have proper understanding or instruction.



Seriously? calling someone a fool is a good thing? Wow, I haven't spin like that in a while. It is very insulting and rude and somehow I think that if I started going around calling everyone here a fool for believing not only would the mods have an issue with me but so would the posters.

But hey it's ok because you're quote a bible verse. Someday pentecostals are going to understand that doing such and telling people how reprehensible they are doesn't lead people to god. It's just an insult.
The word "fool" is such an old school term. I prefer more modern words like moron, imbecile, dunder head, and finally "low information voter". LOL

Evang.Benincasa 02-26-2013 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1228051)
And SE would never do that. :killinme
No he wouldn't.

Evang.Benincasa 02-26-2013 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1228069)
The word "fool" is such an old school term. I prefer more modern words like moron, imbecile, dunder head, and finally "low information voter". LOL
Actually the Greek word μωρός is were we get the English word moron.

So, be encouraged, your more preferable term is the Biblical term. :)


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