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Scott Hutchinson

11-09-2011 10:32 AM

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1112401)

Theo=God
phanies=appearances

God chose to make himself visible at times thus the word materialized in a form when needed then returned back to word. Thus the Logos was made visible. In the Incarnation the Word BECAME flesh not appeared as flesh.

Thank you kindly.

seekerman

11-09-2011 10:47 AM

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

The Son, the Christ, existed WITH His God and Father before His incarnation.

The Son, the Christ did not exist as His own God and Father before His incarnation.

Amanah

11-09-2011 10:48 AM

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1112411)

The Son, the Christ, existed WITH His God and Father before His incarnation.

what was his job/function before his incarnation?
was he a disembodied spirit?
did he perform any God like functions?
was he just hanging around waiting to be born?

seekerman

11-09-2011 10:54 AM

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1112412)

what was his job/function before his incarnation?
was he a disembodied spirit?
did he perform any God like functions?
was he just hanging around waiting to be born?

No, He wasn't just hanging around. He made appearances throughout the OT but more than that, He was whom His Father used to co-create all creation.

After His short sojourn on earth 2000 years ago, He again enjoyed the relationship with His God and Father which He had enjoyed before His incarnation. He was with His God and Father before His incarnation and He's currently with His God and Father. He isn't His own God and Father, they're two separate and distinct entities.

Amanah

11-09-2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1112415)

so he performed functions that are God like, i.e. creation, and he appears as theophanies? and he was sacrificed for sins, anything else he did?

seekerman

11-09-2011 10:58 AM

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1112416)

so he performed functions that are God like, i.e. creation, and he appears as theophanies? and he was sacrificed for sins, anything else he did?

That's a good start, don't you think? :)

Amanah

11-09-2011 11:00 AM

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1112418)

That's a good start, don't you think? :)

yeah, but if you can perform acts of God and appear as God, how is it that you are not God?

seekerman

11-09-2011 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1112420)

yeah, but if you can perform acts of God and appear as God, how is it that you are not God?

It's because His God and Father gave Him all power and authority. His God and Father was the giver and He, Jesus the Christ, was the recipient.

Jesus was nothing without His God and Father and the position which He enjoyed and strictly because of the actions of His God and Father toward Him.

TGBTG

11-09-2011 11:08 AM

Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son

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Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1112411)

The Son, the Christ, existed WITH His God and Father before His incarnation.

The Son, the Christ did not exist as His own God and Father before His incarnation.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You agree with "the WORD was with God" and then you throw out the last part of the sentence...

Phil 2
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Again, Christ is EQUAL with God. He's not just some type of surbodinate.

berkeley

11-09-2011 11:14 AM

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