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:heeheehee \

That was before sin. lol (wow)

(no wonder you're a futurist.)

Are you denying this verse now?

Genesis 3:22-23 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (23) Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Wow, you really don't know the bible, do you?

Do you know what LEST HE TAKE ALSO means? Do you know those words say God refused to let him eat fruit of life after he sinned? Wow, your reading comprehension is worse than I thought.

Access to the tree of life was GONE after sin.

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Sean, your posting ridiculous stuff all over again. Beyond ridiculous now. So I will chat with Shazeep and others.

(wow again)

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"lest he take also" in no way implies he never tried it...LOL
It simply states he had access to BOTH trees now, not just one!

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Adam was NOT allowed to partake of both trees at the same time(sinners eating from the tree of life was forbidden, because it puts them back into the state of immortality)



Genesis 3:22-23 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

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8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the (singular)tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.



Every tree can be eaten, including the Tree of Life!!! The Tree of Life was in the garden.

Only 1(One) tree forbidden to eat...just 1!...Guess which one?

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and yet they did not "die," as you understand it...i'm passing curious how this fits with a literal view here
well, and the commentaries are no help, they are just guessing. I doubt that we will "solve" this today, as men have wondered at it for centuries, i guess.

But i wonder if the tree of life is not rebound, here ("repentance," in the RCC lexicon)
they of course would never have tried it, as they had no reason to prior to eating the tree of knowledge. "Put forth their hand" represents that they would have had to..."reach" for it, so to speak. Hmm.

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"Put forth his hand" meant it was forbidden at the verse starting right here in chapter 3.....


Genesis 3:22-23 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:



And not in chapter 2 when ALL the trees were good to eat.,(with the exception of 1)



Remember, in chapter 2, things were quite different than in chapter 3......

Chapter 2....
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.




Chapter 3....

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

See the difference in the 2 chapters?

In chapter 2 they were allowed to eat of EVERY tree in the Garden except 1(knowledge of good and evil)

In chapter 3(later) they were banned for the from the Tree of Life.(for eating from the 1st banned tree of chapter 2)

Thats why they were banned from the Tree of Life, and guess what?...They subsequently lost their immortality.

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This is the will of God: to choose rightly.

Gen. 2:29
"And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant
to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,
and the tree of knowledge of good and evil." And God said, Behold, I have given
you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every
tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

Gen. 1:9
"And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant
to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,
and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."

So ALL the herbs and trees were good to see and for food, but NONE were
able to make one wise; however, that's not what the serpent told Eve. Can
you see that as soon as man ate of the forbidden fruit, he became "myopic"?
He "saw" the trees that were acceptable to God, so Adam did two things:
(1) he hid among the trees (acceptable things of God); and (2) he tried to
cover his shame with their leaves!

Gen. 3:22
“And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know
good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree
of life, and eat, and live for ever: therefore the Lord God sent him forth from
the garden...".

God protected Adam from eating of the tree of life while in sin, for Adam
would have lived forever, but in sin. Adam had no choice in the matter; it
was all God!

Deut. 30:15-20
“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set
before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that
both thou and thy seed may live...".

There are three options for man:
(1) Perform God's will;
(2) work God's "acceptable" will; or
(3) reject God

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nice!
ok thanks. My question to you was why they did not die, as God said they would.
In the day you eat of it, you shall surely die.

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Indeed, they died...but it took them a few hundred years.
The Lord's commandment should actually read: "...for dying, you shall die."
And they BEGAN to die immediately.