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Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 1313515)

Auto correct is responsible for your mistakes? :spit

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Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 1313400)

It wasn't "a mistake."

mistake

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It was planned, and he made sure everyone watching/listening clearly understood that he meant what he said.

"It was a mistake" are your words, not his.

You're defending his words, trying to soften the blunt damage.

No I'm not. I said already before that his words were wrong if he said them. There is nothing to defend

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You're like the husband who finds his wife in bed with another man and believes her when she says it's "not what he thinks."

HH expressed sorrow for the loss of money and disgust with JK. He used his best sobby preacher voice to express that disgust

You don't know what you are talking about. I did not defend the man nor his words.

Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 1313400)

It wasn't "a mistake."

mistake

Use Mistake in a sentence
mis·take

[mi-steyk] Show IPA
noun 1. an error in action, calculation, opinion, or judgment caused by poor reasoning, carelessness, insufficient knowledge, etc.

Being a mistake does not mean it wasn't intentional or done with malice

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No I'm not. I said already before that his words were wrong if he said them. There is nothing to defend

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You don't know what you are talking about. I did not defend the man nor his words.

Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1313406)

It wasn't a mistake, the preacher meant what he said, and he believes what he says!!

Fine, alot of folks simply believe he is wrong, and that what he said was in extremely bad taste.

I'm sure JK had a lot of misgivings about the direction of LT, however, he never rejected his son, and I don't believe for a minute he felt like was presented in this video.

the preacher man was WRONG for saying it and that makes it a mistake.

Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1313479)

The bold part is a massive leap. I re-watched the clip with the volume up full blast and still didn't make out everything. As I heard, there was one passing reference to foreign missions and that's it.

HH said Jimbo was an embarrassment, but doesn't say why. He follows that with telling the people there that they need to stop being embarrassed by "this."

Unless you've watched or heard the entire message, you can't make the claim there was no love in the message. This 80 second clip doesn't show enough to make that claim.

As far as HH faking emotion, as a couple here have claimed...how do you know? You have no idea.

If you and MissB can barely hear it then I wonder where this reporting of what this man said came from..

Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1313508)

She just posted that she didn't mean it was accidental. There are many times I refer to a "mistake," and none of which I meant an accident. People make mistakes, it doesn't mean it was done accidentally. It means something was done in error or bad judgement.

Open a dictionary and look at the meaning of "mistake," I doubt you'll find it referring to something done accidentally.

Exactly...

Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 1313502)

Um, that is your trademark. Hover over it and you will see that it is labeled "rollseyes." Is that not meant to be condescending? Why do you use that smiley if NOT to be condescending. :nod

No, actually the coffee cup has been my long standing trademark since FCF, and Pressing-On dubbed it the "condescending coffee cup" a long time ago. I assumed you were making reference to that, and if you were making a new reference to condescension, I suppose that was my mistake. .

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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 1313504)

No, you referred to it as a "mistake." As if it were accidental.

By his own admission, it wasn't. He was/is proud of his racist and mean-spirited remarks which you somehow feel compelled to defend and explain away.

I think you're mixing up the two videos now. I thought the first one was the one where he said he didn't care if it was being recorded? We don't have any context at all for how he feels about his N-word reference. What I actually said was that I HOPE it wasn't coming from a point of racism, but that we really don't know. (Which, if you understand the English language, means I left room for the possibility.)

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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 1313507)

You operate under the mistaken impression that I crave your respect and long for your opinion.

Seriously? :spit I'm well aware that you don't crave my respect or care about my opinion, and I really don't care. The thing is, I'm free to give my opinion anyway, and if you don't like it, that's okay with me. I didn't state my opinion for YOUR personal benefit in the first place. So, um, oh the narcissism? The only reason we're interacting at all is because I took you off ignore a few weeks ago and you made the posts on THIS thread personal--probably in retaliation for my post on ILG's thread which was absolutely personal, but I can't say that for sure. That's okay, though, I've put on my big girl panties and I'm dealing with it. :dogpat

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Nothing is uglier than abuse other than perhaps those who laugh with and defend the abuser. Of course, I would never suggest that you would do anything like that. :nobodycares

You shouldn't, because I don't--and neither has anyone else on this thread.

Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1313533)

the preacher man was WRONG for saying it and that makes it a mistake.

Yes, that is true, however, if you asked him if it was a mistake, I suspect he would say, "no". So, from my perspective, he was just wrong.

Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 1313502)

Um, that is your trademark. Hover over it and you will see that it is labeled "rollseyes." Is that not meant to be condescending? Why do you use that smiley if NOT to be condescending. :nod

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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 1313504)

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Originally Posted by Charnock (Post 1313507)

You operate under the mistaken impression that I crave your respect and long for your opinion.

Seriously? :spit I'm well aware that you don't crave my respect or care about my opinion, and I really don't give two hoots about that. The thing is, I'm free to give my opinion anyway, and if you don't like it, that's okay with me. I'm also free to defend myself against any remarks anyone makes--including yours, even if you don't care about what I say. :)

Weirdly enough, I didn't state my opinion for YOUR personal benefit in the first place. The only reason we're interacting at all is because I took you off ignore a few weeks ago and you made the posts on THIS thread personal--probably in retaliation for my post on ILG's thread which was absolutely personal, but I can't say that for sure. That's okay, though, I've put on my big girl panties and I'm dealing with it. :dogpat

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Nothing is uglier than abuse other than perhaps those who laugh with and defend the abuser. Of course, I would never suggest that you would do anything like that. :nobodycares

You shouldn't, because I don't--and neither has anyone else on this thread.

Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore

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Originally Posted by crakjak (Post 1313554)

Yes, that is true, however, if you asked him if it was a mistake, I suspect he would say, "no". So, from my perspective, he was just wrong.

In fairness, crakjak, you DON'T know that. That's why it's completely unproductive to address an offense in this way. It should be directed to Bro. Hoffman so he can address it--and apologize if he sees the need.