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mfblume 03-04-2015 05:24 PM
Re: Why I Am A Futurist
 
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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1362244)
Bowas, the difference between us is I comment on the book, but leave the literal, obvious majority of it alone an untouched. I stick with the theme.

Case in point, I let the Tree of Life remain a literal tree, in fact, I believe it is the exact same tree as the one that was in the first paradise(Garden of Eden).

You guys turned the tree into human beings, using a concordance.

I simply think that "CROSSES THE LINE" into false doctrine interpretation.
No we used the bible.

Psalm 1.

You change the bible to say Jesus is not a literal lamb.

You change the bible to not have immortality by resurrection alone. Why do you deny immortality caused by resurrection when Paul said the body is raised in incorruption? Why do you deny that?

You don't even have a church. Nice example.

Sean 03-04-2015 06:46 PM
Re: Why I Am A Futurist
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1362278)
No we used the bible.

Psalm 1.

You change the bible to say Jesus is not a literal lamb.

Nope, just "suggesting" minor symbolism of "tough" words

You change the bible to not have immortality by resurrection alone. Why do you deny immortality caused by resurrection when Paul said the body is raised in incorruption? Why do you deny that?

I only realize that immortality depends on the presence of the Tree of Life. It was necessary to be in the garden of Eden for Adam and Eve to have for immortality and it will be necessary for the saved of earth in the New Earth.
We will be immortal, similar to the paradise of Eden....There will be a New and similar paradise...Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Mike your battle is not with me, but with what Jesus just said in this verse..you deny that there is a tree of Life in Paradise as our Lord just said there is.

You don't even have a church. Nice example.

We're working on that as we speak.

Sean 03-04-2015 06:50 PM
Re: Why I Am A Futurist
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1362271)
What gives you the right to say Jesus is not literally a lion or a lamb? A real lamb animal??? What gives you the right? You said nothing to answer me.


I dont have a right, I only "suggest" things regarding tough verses from time to time.

Sean 03-04-2015 06:52 PM
Re: Why I Am A Futurist
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1362275)
That's a lie again. We do NOT believe Romans armies came like lightning.


I found it on a preterist website, thats good to hear that you at least do not PERSONALLY believe that nonsense, only your "enlightened" preterist brethren do.

Sean 03-04-2015 06:53 PM
Re: Why I Am A Futurist
 
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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1362276)
Rev 5:6 clearly says John saw a LAMB.


I am good with that!

Sean 03-04-2015 06:58 PM
Re: Why I Am A Futurist
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1362277)
You change the meaning when you say this:

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a MAN as it had been slain, having NO HORNS AND TWO EYES, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

You changed the bible!
I didnt say that Mike.....
Here is verbatim what I said....6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.(This represented Jesus as the Lamb of God)

Full Definition of REPRESENT

transitive verb
1
: to bring clearly before the mind
: to serve as a sign or symbol of
: to portray or exhibit in art : depict
4
: to serve as the counterpart or image of : typify
5
a : to produce on the stage
b : to act the part or role of


Actually, I really dont know for sure what it means(as I said before concerning tough stuff)...I just suggest stuff to start a conversation on tough verses.(I dont argue about "tough" verses)
Some things may never be known in the book of Revelation until the Lord raptures us out of here.

You will, however, never find a book of answering Gods' riddles being written by me!

mfblume 03-04-2015 07:21 PM
Re: Why I Am A Futurist
 
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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1362283)
I only realize that immortality depends on the presence of the Tree of Life.
No it doesn't. It depends upon resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
The resurrection renders it immortal and incorruptible. Resurrection means life from the dead. When the body is raised from the dead it is at that moment immortal. You deny the power of the resurrection.

You deny RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE. You teach FED LEAVES TO MAKE INCORRUPTIBLE instead.

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It was necessary to be in the garden of Eden for Adam and Eve to have for immortality and it will be necessary for the saved of earth in the New Earth.
No, they had immortality without eating anything from the tree. Sin brought death, not refraining from the tree.

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We will be immortal, similar to the paradise of Eden....There will be a New and similar paradise...Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Not to get eternal life.

mfblume 03-04-2015 07:22 PM
Re: Why I Am A Futurist
 
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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1362284)
I dont have a right, I only "suggest" things regarding tough verses from time to time.
Why don't you just suggest for the tree then? You are proved inconsistent. You SUGGEST in one place and in the same book INSIST. You are inconsistent.

mfblume 03-04-2015 07:22 PM
Re: Why I Am A Futurist
 
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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1362285)
I found it on a preterist website, thats good that you at least do not PERSONALLY believe that nonsense, only your "enlightened" brethren do.
Show me where anyone said that.

Bowas 03-04-2015 07:28 PM
Re: Why I Am A Futurist
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1362113)
"Minor" symbolism Bowas, not "wacko" symbolism...thats the key!
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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1362288)
I didnt say that Mike.....
Here is verbatim what I said....6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.(This represented Jesus as the Lamb of God)

Full Definition of REPRESENT

transitive verb
1
: to bring clearly before the mind
: to serve as a sign or symbol of
: to portray or exhibit in art : depict
4
: to serve as the counterpart or image of : typify
5
a : to produce on the stage
b : to act the part or role of


Actually, I really dont know for sure what it means(as I said before concerning tough stuff)...I just suggest stuff to start a conversation on tough verses.(I dont argue about "tough" verses)
Some things may never be known in the book of Revelation until the Lord raptures us out of here.

You will, however, never find a book of answering Gods' riddles being written by me!
*And everyone breathes a HUGE sigh of relief no book is forthcoming from you* lol


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