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rdp 07-13-2018 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1540518)
On this topic I can literally go pick my scholar and they will have said the greek means whatever I want it to mean.
*This is untrue. Just take the time to read all of the references and direct quotes already posted on this thread (which seems obvious you have not done).

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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1540519)
I'm still waiting on any quotes that clearly show the uncut hair you say it speaks of. I'll probably be waiting all eternity...

Pick any translation out there and show me uncut hair specifically mentioned in any of these verses.
*Silly, all you have to do is scroll up to read a ton of sources that specifically state that it's a disgrace for women to "cut or trim their hair."

*Of course, to be fully expected, you wouldn't believe them if John the Baptist walked into your house, opened your Bible and pointed right to them :happydance.

Esaias 07-13-2018 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rdp (Post 1540516)
This view favors an integrated word meaning contra a segregated word meaning. That is, since there is a semantic range to this Greek verb immediate context will be the only determiner. This has been my contention the whole time.
This may seem redundant, but could you elaborate on exactly what you mean by this? What is meant by "the immediate context will be the only determiner of the word meaning" as applied to the passage in question (1 Cor 11a)? I mean, can you walk us through the verses and show how the context determines the meaning of the disputed words?

Amanah 07-13-2018 04:48 AM
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good idea:

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1540525)
This may seem redundant, but could you elaborate on exactly what you mean by this? What is meant by "the immediate context will be the only determiner of the word meaning" as applied to the passage in question (1 Cor 11a)? I mean, can you walk us through the verses and show how the context determines the meaning of the disputed words?
Also Bro Esaias, would you please show how 1 Cor 11 is based on an ordinance rather than a cultural requirement that is outdated.

Evang.Benincasa 07-13-2018 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1540518)
On this topic I can literally go pick my scholar and they will have said the greek means whatever I want it to mean.
Actually, they can’t.

But thank you for playing.

Next. :)

1ofthechosen 07-13-2018 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 1540519)
I'm still waiting on any quotes that clearly show the uncut hair you say it speaks of. I'll probably be waiting all eternity...

Pick any translation out there and show me uncut hair specifically mentioned in any of these verses.

Dude that's in the word meaning. Thats like how nominal Christians say "show me one passage that says you have to speak in tongues to be saved." But, Carry on...

Costeon 07-13-2018 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen (Post 1539945)
No one has ever even said this in all plus 40+ pages. Why does this get said over and over again towards topics that no one even said that about?

How often this argument is used over and over again, when this hasn't even been said, and usually in the most so called trivial or subjects.

I have one question, be honest what do y'all think that means, why is that done?
No one has said or suggested this is a heaven or hell issue?

rdp just wrote: "My advice to those who "tremble at His Word" and are "working out their own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2.12) would be to echo my Greek professor who said, "Keep the scissors out of your hair ladies." This is not "control" or "dominance by fear-mongering," but eternity is obviously a very serious matter."

Apparently it's a heaven or hell issue.

Amanah 07-13-2018 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Costeon (Post 1540534)
No one has said or suggested this is a heaven or hell issue?

rdp just wrote: "My advice to those who "tremble at His Word" and are "working out their own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2.12) would be to echo my Greek professor who said, "Keep the scissors out of your hair ladies." This is not "control" or "dominance by fear-mongering," but eternity is obviously a very serious matter."

Apparently it's a heaven or hell issue.
I have certainly heard it preached as a heaven/hell issue.
My first pastor preached it as such for 15 years+ before he went TD Jakes on us.

berkeley 07-13-2018 10:23 AM
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There would be no fuss if this was not a heaven/hell issue.

Pressing-On 07-13-2018 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Costeon (Post 1540534)
No one has said or suggested this is a heaven or hell issue?

rdp just wrote: "My advice to those who "tremble at His Word" and are "working out their own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2.12) would be to echo my Greek professor who said, "Keep the scissors out of your hair ladies." This is not "control" or "dominance by fear-mongering," but eternity is obviously a very serious matter."

Apparently it's a heaven or hell issue.
I have never heard it preached as a heaven or hell issue, but the undercurrent was always implied. And I have heard it explained as, "It is better to be safe than sorry", which doesn't help the discussion. Very confusing.

1ofthechosen 07-13-2018 11:24 AM
Re: Uncut Hair and the Nazirite Vow for Women
 
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Originally Posted by Costeon (Post 1540534)
No one has said or suggested this is a heaven or hell issue?

rdp just wrote: "My advice to those who "tremble at His Word" and are "working out their own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2.12) would be to echo my Greek professor who said, "Keep the scissors out of your hair ladies." This is not "control" or "dominance by fear-mongering," but eternity is obviously a very serious matter."

Apparently it's a heaven or hell issue.
He's not talking about the issue of just the hair, I'm sure. But if you are living in utter rebellion to the Word, then that will increase and enlarge, and it will be a Salvational issue! Thus that turns it into a heaven or hell issue. Not just the hair in itself though. Theres alot more that goes with that, because you don't follow the Word you can't even be right in God's sight, and you definitely can't have a perfect heart before Him. Just read the Kings and Chronicles, if you want to know how serious that is.

Hebrews 10:28-31 "He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: [29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God (who is the Word of God), and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? [30] For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [31] It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."


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