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Define "revival."

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Bless them good folks.

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Who is Ken Gurley man?

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Growth!


:)

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He's the ds of the South Texas district and pastors First Church (formally FPC) in Pearland, TX. (south Houston).

http://firstchurch.com/new/leadershi...tessie-gurley/

I'm sure they've added some new believers to their assembly, but I know a lot of their new people have been transfers from Life Tabernacle.

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Great. :thumbsup

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I see.

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The Katy, Texas church is also having revival.

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I wonder how many Pentecostals are on the circuit in greater Houston area. Here today and next time you see them "the Lord has led them somewhere else". :happydance

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Many of them leaving we're very faithful and devoted people they just would stay with the church going another direction.

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Well, that's just sad for a person to invest their time, energy and money and then watch it all slip away.

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i know it seems that way, but God's ways are not our ways. It is very questionable whether Christ wants a believer to attempt to know Him through a single pastor over a long period. This is most likely a door to higher learning for many of these people. God seems to be always forcing us out of our comfort zones.

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No doubt. I am sure those who didn't want change would not feel comfortable at Life Church now and needed to find a new church home.

Of course I believe that will be best for all in the long run as that will free Life Church from having dissent and friction from those who do not agree. I believe God will replace those who leave with a multiple many times that number. So both the ones leaving, Life Church, the other churches, and the Great Commission all win!

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CC1 - to a certain extent, I agree with you. However, as I have said many times, I have rarely, very rarely, observed a UPC church go through this process and hold on to the basic doctrine. They may hold on to it for a while, but it seems to slip away at some point.
Seems like you witnessed this first-hand.

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Yes, once you leave and start examining everything you have been taught your whole life you discover interesting life changing things like the fact that trinitarians do NOT believe in three Gods! Once that bogeyman is gone other believers are no longer demonized and de-christianized.

Then of course the whole three step vs one step for salvation comes into play. If that is done correctly then water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit is still emphasized just not as something that determines your salvation but as something every christian should want.

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:lol

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:yourock

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:reaction

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:lol where do you even find those? is there a list somewhere? Oh, found them; my edit window was too big.

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I think we will have to agree to disagree.
I did leave (in my know-it-all youth) and came back, AFTER I examined everything.

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Did you leave or backslide? So far over the years on AFF when people talked about leaving old time Pentecost and becoming liberal then coming back to old time Pentecost when I questioned them further it turned out they had just backslid. The admitted when they left old time Pentecost they were no longer praying, reading their bible, nor attending a Spirit filled church regularly, etc.

I am not saying that is your case but will be interested for you to clarify your statement.

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Good question, CC1.
Don't know that I can answer it, according to your definition.
I was attending other churches and still reading and praying.

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Whose gonna check their bedroom? Reminds me of preachers wives checking girl luggage for illegal pajamas.

Just preach the gospel, counsel those that come for it, if there is no overt behavior in the church, leave them alone, and let the Lord do his work.

But he can't do his work if you abort the seed of truth and faith in a person's heart before it can take root.

If the Lord doesn't do the work all your efforts are vain, they'll just leave and remain in their sin, convinced that like you, God hates them.

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hmm, i have yet to witness any even covert hatred in GS' posts, wadr. Did you find that reflection hateful? It seemed pretty inclusive to me.