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Also Sean, please tell us why Jesus, and His Apostles didn't explain the Exclusive New Covenant which would leap frog over the New Testament and land somewhere in the Millennium?

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1355176)

Good question Michael, maybe the preterist thinks we are the afterbirth of Pentecost...LOL

No just you.

You know why? You can't answer anything concerning your Exclusive New Covenant offered to the Jews in the Millennium?

Because you only have one verse which you offer us.

Romans 11:27 doesn't mention a Millennium, but if that was an Exclusive New Covenant offered to the Jews in the Millennium, then what about Jesus name baptism, and the Infilling of the Holy Ghost? Wasn't that sufficient? If not why? Why didn't Jesus tell this to a Master of Israel (Nicodemus) in John? In John, the Judean leader, Nicodemus isn't told about this Exclusive New Covenant to be offered to the Jews in the Millennium? Why?

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1355175)

Since I teach what they taught? No I don't. I guess you don't know what I teach. But will call it faith destroying anyway. Well, like I said you are the sighted giant of all you survey. I am only a wee midget and simply waiting for you to teach me. Since I learn best when I ask questions of a Master (like yourself) I will be the weed hopper you can spoon feed.

Now please answer....

Mike ever since Brother Jim Yohe asked me to join his forum way back in the Faith Child days, we who believe in a Fulfilled Eschatology have answered questions. If you look at the Eschatology section you will see that it is thick with Preterism. Do you know why? Because it is the Preterists who answer questions. Elder M Blume has done a splendid job posting on forums, making videos and writing books. Which are all available to be accessed.

Yet, it is like trying to nail jello to the wall having you answer my questions. But you are the sighted one, Mike, you are the one who is supposed to have the ultimate truth. Want to know something, after all these years knowing you, all I know is that you are Post Trib. I don't even know what kind of Post Trib, I don't know if you believe that the Church and physical Israel are different, or if the Church is the True Israel. Does the Church and Physical Israel have different plans from God? Do you believe in an Exclusive New Covenant to be offered to Jews living in the Millennium? Or do you even believe in a physical Millennium sometime in the far far away future?

Mike want to know why I don't know? Because when YOU are asked, YOU won't answer.

So, please if I am so shot out, be a good chap, and convert me. :)

Answer questions?

All I get for answers from you preterists are MORE questions in place of answers!!!

What is hilarious is not that you are questioning me, it is the fact that you are questioning the plain teaching of your Bible itself. You are in disarray and disagreement with whom all, including yourself can see clearly written in the Bible. In your melted down preterist brain you actually think like this when reading this passage....

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:(this is not a literal wall, even though I can clearly see it is)

13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.(these 4 sets of 3 gates per direction only "metaphorically" exist, even though I have no explanation for them, aw shucks!)

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.(these are not really 12 foundations to a city, just something else symbolic of something else)
15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.

16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.(I realize it is close to 1,400 miles square, but I am sure it is not real, as meticulously described on this passage. maybe Mike has something in his book to teach me what 1,400 miles means "spiritually")

18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.(I dont believe that God can create transparent gold. Everyone knows gold is yellow. Either God is color blind or this means something else.... Help Mike!!!)

19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.(do you really expect me to believe that God would go through all the trouble to beautify the city foundations with precious stones? Nah, He what we now see is what we get.)

21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.(gates?, street?. Impossible!!!,,,,this means clearly something else, though I dont have Mikes' book handy to explain the "other' meaning of them)

Sitting in a prophecy class for preterists would be absolutely comical, when the big book of preterists' explanations is distributed to the attendees. I would make the preterist explain this passage in detail until everyone started cracking up!!!

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1355182)

Why!!!

Because God "dont lie".....

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

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This is going on in the brain of benehaha....

Hey Nicodemus, you must be born again!....

WHAAAATTT!!!....

Oh, by the way, lets talk prophecy of the future Israel in Jer. since you dont understand the subject I just introduced, okay!....

Okay Jesus, at least I am familiar with that....it's all through our scriptures.

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1355212)

But Sean, then with that same logic, why is Jeremiah being told about an Exclusive New Covenant to Jews living in a future Millennium?

Was the readers in Romans supposed to understand that the writer was speaking of an Exclusive New Covenant being given to Jews living in a future Millennium?

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1355217)

But Sean, then with that same logic, why is Jeremiah being told about an Exclusive New Covenant to Jews living in a future Millennium?

Because God is a promise keeper.

Was the readers in Romans supposed to understand that the writer was speaking of an Exclusive New Covenant being given to Jews living in a future Millennium?

Yes

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1355245)

Yes

Sean, I understand God keeps His promises, but you refuse to explain how your doctrine for a future Exclusive New Covenant being offered to a special group of Jews in the Millennium? Does it say in Revelation in the verses you offered that an Exclusive New Covenant to a special group of Jews would be given to them unconditionally in the Millennium?

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No, Revelations' target audience is the church, not the nation of Israel.

You need to ask God why He omitted the O.T. passages and did not describe or include the mass amount of passages of the O.T. concerning Israel in the Milennial in the book of Rev.

Maybe John ran out of ink?...LOL

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1355252)

No, Revelations' target audience is the church, not the nation of Israel.

Then why when you are asked multiple times to prove your teaching concerning the Exclusive Covenant being offered to the Jews in the Millennium, you post the verses in Revelation? Is that how you teach your Bible students?

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1355252)

You need to ask God why He omitted the O.T. passages and did not describe or include the mass amount of passages of the O.T. concerning Israel in the Milennial in the book of Rev.

Maybe John ran out of ink?...LOL

So the doctrine was taught in the Hebrew Bible, but it cannot be found in the New Testament?

Are you saying the New Testament isn't written to the Jews?