Originally Posted by mrnbcox (Post 1112227)

The son was the father in flesh. Son was what defined the flesh worn by God as He manifested himself to us

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1112284)

I believe the Son only existed in the mind and plan of God before incarnation.
This day have I begotten thee.......................happened twice at His birth and His resurrection NOT in eternity past.

Originally Posted by Orthodoxy (Post 1112195)

Passages such as Philippians 2 indicate that the Father and Son existed before the incarnation.



As the verse says, the Son "emptying himself" refers to his laying aside his heavenly glory and coming to earth as a man.

And there are other Scriptures, like the one you mentioned earlier in the thread.



I don't see how someone can come to any other conclusion but that both the Father and Son existed as separate "persons" before the Incarnation. I realize that the English word "persons" has some negative connotations, but it's the most precise word we can come up with.

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 1112230)

I understand The Son existed in God's mind,but I don't see God manifesting Himself in flesh before the incarnation.

Originally Posted by Orthodoxy (Post 1112310)

I don't think anyone is claiming that Christ had a physical body before the incarnation.

Originally Posted by berkeley (Post 1112323)

Ah, but did he have a form of a body, or was he without form?

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 1112357)

It would seem that He had a form.