If every member has the right to send out surveys, without official sanction, the end result is chaos. One would have to ask why the survey wasn't submitted to the Board of the UPCC before distribution? Was there an intentional disregard for the Board?

Did the author send the letter from an official capacity (Does the author(s) hold any office in the UPCC?), or did he (they) send it as a concerned member? What was on the letterhead?

Why do mad preachers always blame the saints for their condition?

Why do mad preachers always blame the saints for their condition?


That makes me wonder Mapleleaf also why do they? I lived long enough to see it from both sides!

No offense to any preacher or saint!

I wished sometimes the saints would take a stand and line up the preacher:lol

Fellowship and lunch at the Delta after the morning service. Didn't get home until after 3. :)

Fantastic service last night! Worship was great! Bro. Kinsey did a great job preaching. Bro. D&J was chosen to be "Jesus" - ran through a pack of devils. Woohoo! :lol

The Dip was chosen for fellowship and lunch after service and we didn't get home until way after 12.

Bro. Kinsey is having to leave early :( so he's preaching this morning instead of tonight. I think Bro. Trapani is going to be the evening speaker.

I'm having an awesome time. There are no words to describe how great it's been. Well, actually there are - maybe I'll do that later!

Pastors lead churches by a Divine calling and by the permission of the people. (If the people don't show up tomorrow morning, the man in the dark suit is not a pastor, he's just a janitor with big hair.)

In a local congregation, the political power belongs to the majority of the people, a fact which often frustrates the minority groups who want to dominate a congregation. There's nothing that has the ability to wag like a tail trying to move a dog, or a tongue trying to control a congregation.

Lining up a preacher is God's job, and He is good at His work, but saints have the ability to choose the teacher they will submit themselves to.

All this pastoral power that is fodder for ten thousand Internet discussions is a myth. Any saint that ain't happy with their shepherd will have very little difficulty in finding a new and improved shepherd to lead them to fresh green pastures.

Thanks for that lesson - :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

I've seen a lot of janitor's!

All I can say is God is merciful in a lot of way's...thank you Lord for Grace & Mercy!

Once again Maple Leaf rings the proverbial golden bell.

This fact is what makes it a little hard for me to swallow all this propaganda about the epidemic of spiritual abuse sweeping Pentecost.:)

I think it depends on the person. Some people are more susceptible to control and fear. Others would walk out the door at the first hint of it. The latter don't understand the former.

Internet forums are like some testimony services. They give a voice to people that no one will listen to at any other time. In the real world you have to be credible for people to respect your opinion. On the Internet all you need is a modem and a few birds of a feather.

Just exactly who is the person that you refer to as "The Dip?"

My apologies for carrying this question to this thread. I wanted to answer, but am on a one man mission to make this the longest thread on AFF.

Here are some selections should you choose to go Canadian:

From Canada's CN Tower

Appetizers

WILD MUSHROOM AND VIDALIA ONION BISQUE, Quebec ash rolled goat's cheese, cracked olive crostini, tarragon crème fraiche

SEARED BREAST OF NIPPISSING GAME FARM'S QUAIL
Rhubarb sponge cake, fois gras, Flat Rock Cellars Pinot Noir vinegar reduction

BRIAN FANNING'S SMOKED ATLANTIC SALMON, Extra virgin olive oil, caper berries and 360 pumpernickel bread

TRIO OF ATLANTIC SEAFOOD COCKTAIL, jumbo lump crab, maritime lobster, sweet rock shrimp Champagne vinaigrette, tarragon aioli, horseradish cocktail sauce


Mains

PAN SEARED FILLET OF ATLANTIC SALMON ON WILTED BABY SPINACH
Creamer potatoes, coriander sprouts, toasted pumpkin seeds, warm green tomato vinaigrette

POACHED 1 ½ LB ATLANTIC LOBSTER
Buttered asparagus and fingerling potatoes, grilled lemon and tarragon beurre blanc

SLOW ROASTED, AGED, CANADIAN AAA PRIME RIB OF BEEF
Baked potato, summer vegetables and natural jus

GRILLED CANADIAN AAA STRIPLOIN STEAK AND GUINNESS BRAISED BEEF SHORT RIBS
Aged Maple Dale cheddar mash, roasted onion Swiss chard, horseradish gremolatta

STEAK AND LOBSTER
Grilled 8oz Canadian AAA Beef Tenderloin and a Steamed 11/2 lb Atlantic Lobster with garlic beurre blanc and a cabernet jus


Desserts

DARK CHOCOLATE TOWER WITH PRESERVED SUMMER FRUITS, raspberry vanilla crème Anglaise

QUEBEC MAPLE SYRUP PIE WITH BUTTERMILK PRALINE ICE CREAM
Vanilla bean crème fraiche

NIAGARA PEACH AND STRAWBERRY CRUMBLE
Cinnamon crème Anglaise, vanilla ice cream



Cheese Selection

FOUR-YEAR-OLD CANADIAN CHEDDAR (50G)
(A firm ripened cow's milk cheese, aged four years, it has a pleasantly sharp taste)

BLEU ERMITE (50G)
(Semi soft cow's milk blue aged three months to develop mellow complex flavours)

QUEBEC OKA (50G)
(A semi soft pasteurized cow's milk cheese aged two months in the Trappist monks' cellars)

ST. MAURE DU MANOIR (50G)
(Quebec's Maison Chaput, raw goat's milk cheese rolled in ash)