I actually lived in Ball for a while right before I moved to Lake Charles. My wife still lives in Alexandria in our home there. Hopefully she is moving to Lake Charles when she retires in the spring.:shockamoo

Do you know the Wheatleys at all? My uncle goes to their church. (I probably should say attends, his wife is more the saint, he is the attender! LOL!)


SORRY!
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I am very good friends with the Wheatleys and with Lonnie Weidner and his wife (Bro. Wheatley's daughter). I have many many friends who attend the Ball church. The majority used to attend Sanctuary of Praise but have migrated to Ball. The uncle wouldn't have a last name that sounds like the leader of Cuba and have a daughter named Anita and another named Retha would he?

the wrong part!!! :jolly:jolly:jolly:jolly:jolly

Whachu tawkin bout Willis???:ranting

I am actually hoping to be coming to preach in Choudrant for Bro. Wise one of these days. Help me pray! :D

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dont you have family at that church?

Indeed I do... they are my lobbyists. :santathumb Alisa and Kendall are my niece and nephew in law.

i am sure they are good lobbyists too!!!!!!! alisa will not stop until she gets you there!!!! lol lol

You are soo right... she has been plying him with tapes and CDs. LOL

You know she had surgery right before Thanksgiving, right?

I think she is doing fine but I sure missed getting to see them and the boys. That Garrett is a real Corker n :D

Well, I don't have any idea who you are talking about, but I am laughing anyways!! No, my uncle's last name rhymes with pickles, and he has been known to line the windows of his house with tin foil when his meds are off!! :toofunny

Sis. Weidner and I were buddies as teenagers!!! Well, long distant ones. The other friends that I mentioned pastored on the other side of Alexandria are her close relatives, you probably know who I am referring to. They were our music ministers while they were in CA.

NOOOOOO......i didnt know she had surgery!!!! those boys are so cute.

Sandra:

I have heard the stories and I know there are some documented cases. However, unless someone has asked the source directly, or things have been printed to state such (from past "lovers")...I just don't buy it. It is not a matter of me putting my head in the ground...but it seems like more people know what goes on in the bedrooms of others than the person themself.

In all fairness, you asked Thad a question he can not answer. He has probably spoken to Kurt Carr for a total of 5 minutes. I don't think he (Thad) knows his (KC's) answer on the subject, either.

The whole thing is a matter of speculation.

Kurt attended Cornerstone Istitutional MB church In Los Angeles Until James Cleveland's Death and then went over to West Angeles Temple COGIC. JCs church was known for what it was but of course KC was very young when his mother moved there.

When Thad posted the article about Donnie McClurkin, you stated that you didn't think it was appropriate to talk about this topic. why are you so eager to discuss it now concerning Kurt Carr? If this was Paula White would you want this discussed? You seem rather Biased in who can discuss what depending on who you know.

S.W.....let me just make one observation here.

Donnie McClurkin has stated he was delivered from this lifestyle. He has also renounced it. His renouncing of it caused that group of people to get after Obama's campaign for having him appear on his campaign stops because it differed with Obama's views.

I do not believe the press that was discussed at the time and on this forum about him. I think it was someone trying to cash in on 15 minutes of fame.

That very may well be. however,my point is that Sandra has been quick to point out when Thad was spreading Gossip.Perhaps it's not gossip when it's not about her friends

I am only asking THAD if he knew thads KC take on homosexuality, thats all. does KC think its ok.

Sandra, recently Kirk Franklin said his estimate is that over half of the black men in gospel music are gay. These are startling stats if they are true.

Homosexuality is a spirit of perversion and for the life of me I cannot understand how the church can overlook it. What is doubly disturbing is how these men who sing, play, etc. can feel comfortable in the church atmosphere while living that lifestyle.

They sing, play, speak in tongues and sleep with each other. I have an immediate family member who live that lifestyle for over 20 years. Thank God he was finally delivered completely.

He will tell you its prevalent in churches everywhere with concentrations in the black community. The preachers aren't preaching against it, for fear of upsetting the apple cart.

I'm sure you are an expert on this seeing you are intricately involved with the Charismatic movement and witness it first hand. lol

Kirk needs to tell the other half of the story. There's as much of it going on in the ministry in the black church as it is the music dept. it's just not as evident. the preachers are living on the down low.

A COGIC bishop from N carlolina just wrote a book about it.
most of the ones that turned out this way were TURNED OUT by Bishops and preachers.

This double lifestyle even has it's own slang name " living on the down-low"-

It is my observation, I could be wrong, the way black churches set up the hierarchy in their churches almost set the ministry above the people to where as calling their behavior in question almost impossible unless it came from an outside source.

I pray some of these men are exposed its a bad cycle that just begets perversion in other men, it needs to be broken!

The preachers aren't preaching against it ... you are soo right. I had a first cousin die of aids, he was only 40.

If it walks like a duck... its a duck. I have defended so many guys that were a little girly for years then to find out they were living a double life.
I don't do it anymore, if you waddle and limp your wrist .... you just might be GAY:D:christmasjig:christmasjig:christmasjig

Amazing. I'm blown away.

Yep. My brother was a homosexual, but he admitted it and openly lived it. Subsequently, when God delivered him, he knew the difference between right and wrong.

It makes me ask the question how much sexual abuse is going on in the black churches? If the ministry is molesting the boys and turning them out, I think ultimately it's going to blow up like the catholics.

I was just curious if thad knew KC'S take on homosexuality.. thats all. I toured with KC for 6 weeks, I would consider him a good friend. Just never knew his take on this topic.... most Black gospel males are homosexual, its a FACT.

Man, I would have been angry if I were sticking up for these guys only to find out they are living a lie-

It has happened to me several times. I recommened one to be a minister of Music. The Pastor asked the question if he was a real man and laughed. I assured him he was. well......
He went there and later found out he had affairs with 2 men in the church.
Made me SICK! I have yet to talk to that pastor.:horn

Thats sad and gross, but how could you for see THAT happening?

I DO NOT recommend" Single Male Music People " anymore...... NEVER!!:D

This is news to me, obviously I haven't been keeping up on this stuff.

Disturbing

It is disturbing, I have been in the Black Gospel industry since 2002. It is known among them, they don't just come out and say they are gay.
Some have wives and children.... soooo sad.

sandra.....are you going to be on TBN tonight

So here's a question if someone is living in a sin like that should we buy and listen to their music?

It just blows my mind that supposed Christian men who are suppose to be ministers going around admitting that they are gay!

Thats like a preacher admitting he does heroin or is a pedophile and still preaches...just is nasty gross...it's one thing to struggle but to out and out practice it without shame is putrid-& worse.

Where does this stop though? If you only bought anything from non-sinning Christians, you'd probably be hurting for a few things.

It is an abomination in my opinion!

What I don't understand is WHY they choose to be gay.

maybe we would...maybe we wouldnt...

but just maybe we could put a stop to this mess...

You know this isn't just with blacks, there's been smoke around a lot of other singers too including those involved with the Gaither Band.