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Walks_in_islam 06-30-2012 09:29 PM
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Could be way way worse

They could all "look like" district superintendent ***** ******* (or even) "look like" sunday school superintendent **** ******

Which do you think would be worse? To (look like) a pedophile or to actually (be) a pedophile or (even nastier just sayin') be a wrinkled old 60+ - yr-old man sneaking through the shadows of a public park picking up men for money?

Any opinion?

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Originally Posted by HolyFire (Post 1168134)
I was doing something in the kitchen yesterday and I had two thoughts:

1. Maybe God turned this guy over to a delusion?

2. Why do all the men on that website look like pedophiles?

Praxeas 07-01-2012 02:07 PM
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wow, for a bunch of atheists their arguments sure are emotive and subjective. I wonder if these Dawkenites ever heard of Alister McGrath

BroJoe 07-04-2012 05:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1168045)
I agree this is a very sad situation. It blows my mind that someone who ministered for so many years could end up an unbeliever.

Many preachers fail but almost all do not renounce God as they recognize the failure is in themselves. I have a feeling there is a lot of stuff going on in his personal life involved with this seismic shift in belief.

If you ministered for 25 years and enjoyed the presence and blessings of God that much how could you all of a sudden declare there is no God?
Romans 1:28

cagneyfan 02-25-2013 03:38 PM
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Jerry happens to be a great person actually and to see speculation on whether he actually had anything or the other uninformed comments is quite sad.

CC1 02-25-2013 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cagneyfan (Post 1227877)
Jerry happens to be a great person actually and to see speculation on whether he actually had anything or the other uninformed comments is quite sad.
I certainly don't question whether he actually had anything. My particular point was just that - How can a person who has experienced the presence of God, etc deny it later.

However as incredible as that seems to me I think that has gone on since the dawn of time. That is why no amount of signs or wonders will cause people to believe in God and be saved. In the end it comes down to faith, which we are assured every person is given a measure of.

cagneyfan 02-25-2013 03:48 PM
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Actually CC1 it's not that hard when you feel like what you gave so much of your life to isn't there when you needed it to be. Perhaps for some it is but people like Jerry, myself, and others who are members of the Clergy Project it isn't.

I'm not here as a former pentecostal to cause trouble but this thread and it's comments troubled me.

Timmy 02-25-2013 04:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cagneyfan (Post 1227880)
Actually CC1 it's not that hard when you feel like what you gave so much of your life to isn't there when you needed it to be. Perhaps for some it is but people like Jerry, myself, and others who are members of the Clergy Project it isn't.

I'm not here as a former pentecostal to cause trouble but this thread and it's comments troubled me.
:welcome

navygoat1998 02-25-2013 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1227883)
:welcome
:friend

Cindy 02-25-2013 04:15 PM
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So, his definition of faith is pretending you believe?

cagneyfan 02-25-2013 04:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1227887)
So, his definition of faith is pretending you believe?
No ma'am I don't think that's it at all. I've spoken with him and I'm connected with him as our stories are similar. He did believe and preached it as I did but there came a time in his life, and mine, where he questioned and there was nothing there besides faith to back it up.


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