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Re: Why I Am A Futurist

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Originally Posted by shag (Post 1356123)

Esaias, I'd like your opinion on this...

Heb. 10:37

For "in a very long while, the one who is coming will return— he will not delay- nope.

For "in a long while, the one who is coming will return— he will not delay- nope.

For "in a while the one who is coming will return— he will not delay-nope.

For "in a very little while, the one who is coming will return— he will not delay-yep.

What is the purpose of the "very little while" in this verse?
(Even asside from the "will NOT delay".)

And..if you received that epistle 2000 years ago, what would you think?

Bump

Re: Why I Am A Futurist

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Originally Posted by shag (Post 1357904)

So according to what you're saying, you do believe & acknowledge the belief that Matt 16:28' SEEING the son of man is NOT literally seeing him with their physical eyes, because nobody did. Is that correct? QUOTE SHAG

Check this out bro...

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.( at Pentecost)

Here is where Jesus fills them with His spirit as the above passage shows us and makes himself visible to them as a "cloven tongue as of fire" during his appearance...

Acts 2
2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The cloven fiery tongues were visible to them and were a MANIFESTATION of the Holy Ghost, which is Jesus Himself being manifested to them in this visible way as His kingdom began. They SAW this manifestation of Jesus(Holy Ghost) at Pentecost.

They SAW JESUS(AKA Holy Ghost) at Pentecost

man·i·fest1
ˈmanəˌfest/Submit
adjective
1.
clear or obvious to the eye or mind.
"the system's manifest failings"
synonyms: obvious, clear, plain, apparent, evident, patent, palpable, distinct, definite, blatant, overt, glaring, barefaced, explicit, transparent, conspicuous, undisguised, unmistakable, noticeable, perceptible, visible, recognizable
"his manifest lack of interest"

1manifest
adjective man·i·fest \ˈma-nə-ˌfest\
: able to be seen : clearly shown or visible

: easy to understand or recognize

I think the Judas theory is rediculous. Nvr even heard of it. Some means plural. Judas is not plural. So it doesn't work no matter how you dress it up as some a so called generalization statement. QUOTE SHAG

Some is plural, "some" is the other 11 Apostles bro.

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Some shall not taste of death....likewise, one will taste of death.(Judas)

Re: Why I Am A Futurist

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1357898)

I am not full preterist but I know what they believe. You do have them all wrong. They believe Christ's second coming occurred then in a general resurrection of all those who died before. The resurrection was non-bodily. Souls slept until that date. When he came they rose from soul sleep and went to glory. The living saints went nowhere physically but were caught up in a spiritual ecstasy of some sort. And when each saint dies since then, there is no soul sleep but personal resurrection.

Ok so if they teach at Christ coming in 70ad there was a general resurrection they are teaching the exact thing as Hymanaus. The resurrection is already passed.

So they believe the resurrection happened and the dead went to Heaven but the living had some ecstasy.

Well you believe that is false and so do I. And what became of those who did not go to Heaven? I thought 50% of this doctrine was that some in the first century would not die until they saw the Lord coming in glory?

If only the dead were taken to be with Jesus in 70ad guess what that means for this doctrine? The people he said that to DID DIE. They were not TAKEN at Christs coming. They had a nice spiritual experience but had to die and not be caught up to always be with the Lord.

If the Lords coming in glory did not include them getting to be with him forever they were probably let down.

They no doubt felt they had been "left behind".

Re: Why I Am A Futurist

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Who are we? The church. To say the bibles not for us is nuts imo, because there's letters written to folks w particular issues, we are not the faithful church in Philidelphia and the Lukewarm church in laodicea, skitsophrenically at the same time, but we can learn from their strengths or shortcomings to be better as his bride now.

Wrong on several levels. First off after the coming of Jesus no one can get in the Church.

1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

How can you assume the Church goes on as usual AFTER the coming of Jesus?

Next off Prets make it FORCEFULLY CLEAR if scripture is not addressed to YOU what right do you have claiming anything that was given to someone else? The scriptures were addressed to certain Churches none of which we were in.

And since Jesus already came and resurrected the ones he promised he would what right do we have to a Bible that was written to teach THEM how to prepare for his coming? How do we know he wants the same things for us as he did for them seeing his coming appears to have ended their "dispensation" or "Church age".

It would be like someone trying to serve God in the New Testament Church out of a Bible that was only written to Jews.

It would not be relevant FOR THEM.

Re: Why I Am A Futurist

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1357915)

You're dissection of scripture may need adjustments.

Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matt 26:21 And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

If "some standing here" is referring to one individual. why not just say like Jesus did in Matt 26, "one of you?"

"One" of you is limited to a single individual
"Some" standing here" includes multiple individuals.

Maybe your special dictionary has a better definition of these two words, but this is the best I can come up with.

ONE: being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single:

SOME: of a certain unspecified number, amount, degree, etc.:

So "some" will not taste death means more than one person will in fact die before they remaining ones SEE Him coming.

Re: Why I Am A Futurist

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Originally Posted by Bowas (Post 1357930)

You're dissection of scripture may need adjustments.

Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matt 26:21 And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

If "some standing here" is referring to one individual. why not just say like Jesus did in Matt 26, "one of you?"

"One" of you is limited to a single individual
"Some" standing here" includes multiple individuals.

Bowas, at Matt 26, it was TIME for Judas to betray Jesus...right then! Jesus kept things about WHO will betray Him a secret until the very hour of His betrayal. Then His disciples found out right before....NOT A YEAR OR SO PRIOR (in Matt. 16) TO HARASS JUDAS OR BEAT HIM UP DAILY AND MAYBE KILL HIM TO CHANGE PROPHECY!

Maybe your special dictionary has a better definition of these two words, but this is the best I can come up with.

ONE: being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single:

SOME: of a certain unspecified number, amount, degree, etc.:

So "some" will not taste death means more than one person will in fact die before they remaining ones SEE Him coming.

Just imagine what would have happened to Judas or if he would have been ostracized from the group for being called a traitor, giving the disciples very much time to "investigate" him.
They were only allowed to find out "the very hour of betrayal" so prophecy could not be altered by the disciples.(just the thought of someone arresting Jesus caused Peter to slice off a mans' ear)

Re: Why I Am A Futurist

Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING in his kingdom.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING in the clouds with great power and glory.

Was He "SEEN" at His "COMING?"

Re: Why I Am A Futurist

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Originally Posted by Sean (Post 1357932)

Well then, Jesus mislead them by implying "some" (more than one) when "one" is the truth.

Hmmm. If He mislead on this, I wonder...

Re: Why I Am A Futurist

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Originally Posted by Bowas (Post 1357934)

Well then, Jesus mislead them by implying "some" (more than one) when "one" is the truth.

Hmmm. If He mislead on this, I wonder...

Not "misled" them bro., just "spoon fed" them.

Re: Why I Am A Futurist

Bowas, what would happen to somebody that you found out would kill one of your closest loved ones in one year. And you found a way to see the future and could verify it?

Would they still be living on the day the event of killing your loved one took place?